when i was out in bastrop in 2007 trying to organize the withdrawal, a police chief just got sent inand he suffered about three death threats in as many weeks and i said what do we do to help? he said this isn't about training or equipment. it's about loyalty. you can't touch that. i think that's a lesson we just need to learn very hard. we can give these people the best weapons in the world. we can train them updating and, but fundamentally is the moral component this week, they won't be any good. that's what i said 30,000 what an mosul against 3000. i so believe in what they did. >> but when the same gaza fighting, they have moral component. they don't run away then, do they? >> they are fighting for the own patch, or do they? >> exactly. are we slightly diluted in assuming that we did the sunni awakening or whatever that was meant to be and that in some way magically all of these different groupings will cohere into a reformed iraqi army? is that not going to happen? >> there is sort of a yes and no to that. i still think that if we're looking for answers but what to do but isil,