this if we had a different strategy g with regard to the bathist, er: might we have forestalled this l entire situation. >> hi, phillip. >> caller: hey. how are you doing? >> please go ahead. >> caller: yes, i have a coupler of questions for linda.ho in history, how many air campaigns have ever won a war? >> why do you ask that questioni phillip? >> caller: because it's been brought up we're launching in all kinds of air strikes. how many special forces have ever won a war? >> given your rhetorical questions, we'll get an answer tota those.my that question that you ask, what is your point? >> caller: my point is it takes an army to defeat an army. >> great. we got it. >> air power has degraded some of the capabilities and assisted the ground forces, but it has been very constrained. the opening of a base in turkey to bombers is huge because that has radically cut out the time.y it alone does not win a war. there are some air power advocates that think you can win wars by air, but i think there' large literature and evidence : against that. i think it is very important to know that it

when saddam hussein fell and the bathists and the sunni minority ruling over the shiia majority abused that majority for some period of time. as soon as saddam well and iranian backed shiia governments took over. they out revenge back against the sunni. what they need to understand and they probably have at this point other wise we wouldn't see the sunni tribes back in this. top preserve iraq there needs to be sufficient any, shiia and kurds autonomy and they have to get along or the whole thing will fly apart. charles: i think what makes the casual observer somewhat nervous is ramadi was taken by 600 isis rebels, terrorists, and maintained by 300 against a surrounding force of 10,000 iraqi soldiers for 7 months. it wasn't until we interests veend and got sunnis involved. can we adequately train the iraqi forces to defend themselves? >> the question is will they feel we are remaining committed to them? if you are fighting against the force that's poorly paid. does sphnts feel a connection to the central government and at the last minute they did include the you any tribes. but it's not

rule which is the shia rule and marginalize the sunni sect under the pretext of, you know, they are bathist, they are saddam hussein supporters which is absolutely wrong. we have to look at that. syria, libya, yemen, egypt, this is the problem. >> as you know, there was a moment of liberal democracy across the arab world with elections in egypt and iraq and syria and libya. but during that liberal moment, the parties were tied to westerners. they were tied to outside powers. that gave a bad name, a bad reputation to liberal institutions. >> you are absolutely correct, sir, here. but, you know, the imperialist power in that time, actually, they were looking at a long-term solution, a long-term stability. so they introduced liberalism, and they introduced democracy by civil means, not military means. they educated the people how to be liberal, how to communicate, how to coexist, how to actually go to a political process where they could, where the ballot box will decide, will determine who to rule them. unfortunately, the new imperialism in the middle east or the new imperialist power are not