. >> that's been part of our battel from day one. >> doey do yey why do you keep insisting you be onact the dessingnated nominee you would have had. why does it have to be you? >> it has -- first of all, ed is quite busy at bank of new york okay? when you get on the board, there are a lot of meetings and a lot of work. and, frankly, now ed is holding a -- another activist at bay at bank of new york. so he's pretty tied up at the moment. and i felt i had been in the chemical business at within point in my life actually been in ag chemicals so i understood the business. i felt if they turns down ed why not give it a shot with me? ellen and i had lunch, i explained all of the reasons why i thought we could help. when we do get on a board, when trian gets on a board, it's very different, david, than when a normal director gets on a board. >> why is that? >> because we get on a board and, today in companies like dupont, there's a thousand pages, and i'm being literal here, a thousand pages of information that float into your ipad between a week prior to the meeting and the day of okay? yo