wait 'til you hear what trader scott bauer has to say. chart talk is next.arly 800 million shares of facebook could potentially flood the market today. scott bauer of trading advantage joins us for a closer look at that stock. good morning to you scott. > > good morning angie. > > let's take a look at fb. i am hearing there are fewer short-sellers in this stock. is that a positive sign for facebook? > > i really think it is. look at $19. $19, over the last six months, which is about how long facebook has been trading, is the support level. we haven't really seen another one. that has been big-time support. these 800 million shares that are coming free, a lot of that, like you said, lot of this short-selling is not going to happen. this is baked into the marketplace. i really think that this is an opportunity for anybody that wants to get in long-term to facebook to really say, you know what, this is a good line in the sand, this is an investment i'm going to make long-term in facebook. > > so, traditionally, we have seen some selling going into these lockups

gutierrez, and conservative activist gary bauer piem candy crowley. and this is "state of the union." >>> good morning from california. the state that led the tax cut revolution in the late '70s but this past tuesday voted to raise taxes. we'll talk to governor jerry brown later in the show. but first, that fiscal cliff. those tax cuts and spending hikes scheduled to take place at the end of the year unless congress acts. president obama and john boehner picked up where they left off in dueling public appearances where both sounded conciliatory but didn't seem to budge much. you must add to the president's to-do list one more thing. he needs a cia director after general david petraeus resigned, admitting to an extramarital affair. joining me now is new jersey democrat senator robert menendez. and in new york congressman peter king who is chairman of the house homeland security committee. good morning, senator.

we had scott bauer on in the 6:00 hour. he said that no matter who wins, the markets rally just on the idea of certainty, however, literally within the past 15 minutes we had jack say if romney wins, we get an out market i think with obama i don't know if you're saying we get a down market, we're not rallying? >> more of the same, steady. >> what is your take? >> in my experience there are very few election results which surprise markets and so i would be surprised if the markets were surprised so my two cents is if the state is correct and if obama ekes out a narrow victory, the markets will take it in stride, there will be little effect. i'm not a market expert so i'll defer to others. >> what happens if we don't get an outcome wednesday morning? >> well that would be bad for markets, pi we all know don't

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one of the damaged homes belongs to mavlis bauer. and i have to ask you some of your neighbors are about to have demolition orders delivered to them. do you know the status of your own home? >> caller: right now they're saying it's structurally safe. now when my contractor gets in there and starts tearing off all the drywall that's cracked and all that, it might not be. i mean, that's for them to decide, once they get in there. >> now, your daughter also lives in the neighborhood. her house, i understand, didn't fare so well. >> caller: her house is scheduled for demo. >> that's amazing. she has nine kids? >> caller: no, two. >> two kids. but they're lucky. they made it out okay? >> caller: yes, they did. a wall fell on them, but they made it out. >> the walls fell in on them. what was that like, did they tell you? >> caller: no. actually, they're not talking or discussing it. they don't want their kids -- you know, the kids don't understand what happened. their kids are little. they have two.

bauer said earlier this week.pro-life and pro-family, but i don't think we really engaged in the ad war on those issues, and i think if we would have engaged instead of being forced to be on the defensive, i still think we would have gotten many, many more of what used to be reagan democrats. you argue that there wasn't enough discussion on social issues. >> well, look, i think ronald reagan defined our party and the road to success for our party. on economics, smaller bovt, lower taxes. on foreign policy, a confident foreign policy that is on the side of freedom around the world. the other ingredient he brought is the values issues, and that's where we got millions of midwestern and southern evangelicals, catholics, et cetera, to leave the party of their birth, the party of their families and become republicans, and i think if those issues had been engaged -- not saying the campaign should have been run on them. >> well, when we're talking about the party -- when we're talking about america, so in a race of all p

let's say good morning to scott bauer of trading advantage. good to have you on the show. > > thanks for having me angie. > > so, we are taking a look at a stock this morning that has to do with cloud computing: salesforce.com. earnings are coming out today. what do you see here? > > you know, the stock has actually been kind of mired in this very small range, which is right almost exactly in the middle between its near-term support and -resistance levels. there's lots of activity, volatility has really picked up, which looks like there is going to be, priced in, about a $15 move perhaps when earnings come out later today. that is what the front-month straddle is trading. so, with the stock trading between $145 and $150, and $125 being major support, $165 being some resistance, that $15 move, if it is to the upside, will put you right up to that resistance level. now, what i would look to possibly take advantage of is the volatility in the front month has just risen so much in anticipation of these earnings, you can almost sell some out-of- th

that's scott bauer of trading advantage . some call it big brother - video cameras watching over you while at work. but it's producing safer food products from the beef industry and better hygiene among healthcare professionals who sometimes forget the basics, such as washing hands after treating patients. the company that makes camera systems that watch over you says they're also watching out for you in terms of consumer protection. that's according to adam aronson, whose company, arrowsight, watches by remote camera half of the beef industry and meat processors such as osi. "if osi can improve productivity by 10%, there's opportunities for other industries like this." it took the largest meat recall in history in 2008 to bring cameras into meat packing to the extent that exists today. in three years, arrowsight went from having cameras in one meat packing facility to 30 of them - not to mention other manufacturers and fast-food restaurants. "it sounds big brother-ish. that's usually the first comment we hear, and it's the r

let's bring in scott bauer of trading advantage.ood morning to you. > > good morning angie. > so costco is doing that special dividend to avoid alleged higher taxes coming up next year. what do you think about the charts on this one? > > it looks unbelievable. year-to-date it's up 25%. in just over a year-and-a-half's time, the stock has doubled. i am usually one to look at a chart and play off the technical analysis, the fundamental analysis, and say, boy, $100, $101, was some sort of resistance level. but not in this case. if costco continues to beat their guidance, continues to beat their comp store sales, it looks like, going into this holiday season, it is just going to be up, up and away for this stock. the fact that they just came out yesterday, announced that they are going to pay this $7 special dividend. these shareholders that have held on to this thing, not only have they seen this huge appreciation in the stock, but boy are they being rewarded right now. again, i don't see anything in the near-term that could even cause

bauer ran to get involved but was held back and kevin harvick by the way won the race. >>> well a road scholar will find out whether he will get a private jet to be shuttled between two of the biggest moments of his life. he plans to run for the ncaa race in kentucky. that same day is his road's scholar interview in seattle. today they are expected to tell them a private jet can be provided without breaking the rules. >>> a shelter in fairfield will honor homeless veterans. and that shelter provides 175 beds year round and about 50 vets are living there right now. this morning flagpole dedication is set for 9:00, military officials and city officials will be there for that event. almost 2000 people showed up at this dedication ceremony for the new castro valley veterans memorial. it was seven years in the making and each slab represents men who made the ultimate sacrifice. some men are in granite and it includes this fly over by the national air guard. >>> we have more veterans day coverage for you including interviews with family members of fallen heros. go to www.ktvu.com, take a loo

these same people who have never had an occasion to doubt the bauer r bureau of labor statistics worke about anything including jobless claims, these same people suddenly believe that they are better calculators of jobless claims than the career professionals that work the numbers under both democrat and republican presidents. nevermind that twice in its own report the labor department cited an increase in jobless claims due to hurricane sandy in neighbors that were crushed by the hurricane. jobs were crushed too. there are stored in those neighbors that no longer exist. i saw stores and businesses burned to the ground and while no one got fired from the jobs. but the jobs no longer exist. but the hurricane didn't break a single window in the fox news studio. there was no real damage at all. in this area i walked around times square at the height of the hurricane on that monday night and walked past the foxnefox ne news studio and the most that i was exposed to was a light missed and that is how big new york city is and how peculiar hurricanes can be. nothing here and death and destru

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let's turn to scott bauer of trading advantage to talk about this alleged fiscal cliff. what do you think - and good morning - deal or no deal, scott? > > good morning angie. yeah, there is going to be a deal. it may not be later this week, it may not be next week, but i think at a minimum we are going to see congress, the president, everyone say, you know what, we are on the table together here, and even if we have to extend this three months, six months, we are going to get it done. there is no way with the recovery that we have seen - and i'm not talking about the stock market recovery, i am talking more of the consumer sentiment recovery, housing recovery - with what we have seen the last quarter of this year, there is no way that the guys in washington can harm that or add anything to take the momentum away from that. it just won't happen. > let's talk about the stock market. what levels are you watching here? > > 1390 really held yesterday, during the sell-off in the morning. that is a real near- term support in s&ps. i think in the short-run, we see 1390- 1430 is

trader scott bauer of trading advantage joins us. good morning to you. it's been a sour apple lately in this market. > > yeah, that's a good way of putting it. people keep looking at some of the support areas that we've seen that apple just keeps blowing right through. first it was that $610 area, then $580, then $560, and now $520 is really the next one that people are going to be looking at. it's unbelievable. the stock is down over % now from where it was just a month-and-a- half ago or so, and that really is, like you said, weighing very heavily on the marketplace. > > and how well does that weigh on traders' minds when you see a stock like apple carrying so much weight? could this become a continual drag on the market? > > it has been certainly over the last week, week-and-a-half. now, if we see further drop from here, and if it breaks through $520 very precipitously, you're going to see the rest of the market come with it. if apple can hold now at $520, which is a real solid support area, the rest of the market will probably bounce back a little. b

right now scott bauer of trading advantage joins us on this friday.orning to you scott. > > hi angie. how are you? > > i'm great. armstrong worldwide though is showing some promise here for investors. > > you know, you look at this space out there, and everybody was really focused in on like home depot and lowes. but look at the overall construction space. there's really two stocks: awi, like you just said, boy did this thing really get a pop. it's blown through any sort of resistance area just because of the outlook, really because of sandy. the stock is up trading around $53, $53.50. option volatility is actually very low, so you know, you can really get in this space pretty inexpensively. but at this point, it doesn't look like there's going to be any kind of pullback anytime soon. > > another stock that popped yesterday was usg. > > yes. kind of really the same story. same space, definitely not as widely held or widely, let's call it, played in the markets as a home depot or a lowes. but same thing: the outlook because of sandy, going into not onl

let's get some trader thoughts now from scott bauer of trading advantage. happy monday morning to you scott. > > good morning angie. > > there is a lot of talk about this fiscal cliff as you know. but i am hearing that traders really believe there is already a backroom deal in the works. > > you know, that is what they say, and i tend to agree with that. there is no way, it's just inconceivable to think that something has not at least been in the works for a while. certainly there are no i's dotted or t's crossed, but something has been in the works for a while. keep this in mind: what's really important - and we saw the start of this last friday, when the two parties sat down with president obama and said, "ok, we're going to get this thing done." we need to see continuation of that. we don't need the resolution by the end of this week. we don't need it next week. but we need to see continuing, positive news coming out of the white house, because any time we don't - the market is so on-edge right now, that any time that we don't see anything positive, that

there is a stock that is capturing a lot of attention from traders right now, including scott bauer ofrading advantage. scott, tell us all about it. > > this herbalife, hlf, is trading down about 5% over the last few days, but more importantly, what we are seeing is implied volatility, implied option volatility, has doubled over the last couple days. the put-buying in this stock seems to be endless. the put-to-call ratio is about 20:1 right now. with the stock trading in the low $40s, we are seeing massive put buyers on december, so near-term options - the $40 line, $37.50 line, all the way down to the $32.50 line. there is just an unending demand for these puts right now, almost as if there is something in the marketplace, some kind of news announcement, that we don't know about yet, but that is coming out any time soon. > just to clarify, that means that the put buyers believe this stock could drop below $37. > > absolutely. and if you look over the last year or so, $37.50 is actually a fairly important point, a good support point. but over the last two years, $32 is really where the

think it probably did the potency of this message last will be a few hours a day so think about gary bauer sometime in june garrett barr was sentenced to learn a new prison for insider trading and how many days after that do you think there was a reduction in insider trading i suspect it was very short lived you know it's not in people's mind so you had an example of that happening and maybe it was the office of discussion for a day or two afterwards but once they get that goes off what could close up behavior is not the long term thinking it's what people around us so doing i mean you could think about doping in sports and all kinds of other things when we see examples of people around us misbehaving debts actually what's controlling your behavior that once we define for us what's acceptable and not acceptable and not so much what's legal or illegal and again you can see more with dan ariely on our website the full interview where he dove into crime and punishment for financial crimes that's on line. all right let's wrap up with loose change we did get fed minutes out this week and obviou

credit card delinquency rate edged higher in the third quarter, while the average credit card debt for bauerped 5% from a year ago to almost $5000. that is a lot. main street and wall street, we are living on two different planets. the difference may have something to do with the corporate bean counters that have their eyes fixed on washington as the country comes closer to the fiscal cliff. tax rates spike, extra taxes on dividends from the list goes on and on. the economy is headed into a recession if it's not already there. consumers don't have a crystal ball that is quite revealing. $3500 in taxes per household next year, but as washington knows, there are lots of ways to skin a cat. someone capitol hill are talking about reducing or eliminating deductions to raise revenue. to be sure, some americans will find that painful. here is to engage with the mouse. take a look at this. california from the average tax deduction for people who do file the itemized form are $33,901. new york, washington dc, connecticut, new jersey. really getting hit hard as well. they have the biggest tax deductio

david: will be talking with scott bauer in the pit of the cme. duking it out in our street fight. let's start with scott at the cme. consumer sentiment first of all. it is very high, but are the folks who say they're optimistic in their money where their mouths are? >> so far they are. but it is really teetering on the brink of something bad happening. i don't mean to be looking into a black hole, but so many macroeconomic things on the table, holiday shopping numbers, any one of them that we can get spooked on to set the number on consumer confidence. what we will see tomorrow which will not reflect this weekend, but anything that can spooked consumers, this thing can really take a sharp move down. now, if nothing happens, the trend is picked up so much momentum that could lead us to the end of the year. if we get by with all of this all the saber monday stuff, we should be okay. consumer confidence could be the lagging indicator for what is spent in everybody's holiday shopping this season. that one to me is very key. liz: did we not see it on black friday and frankly today? bla

and the leader of our joy fit pack is joy bauer.t the story, pam is 61 years old, and she proves it is never too late. nick the bad habits, new habits, she's enjoying her grandkids in a way she was never able to enjoy her own kids because her obesity got in the way. here's the most critical step that she took, and i think a lot of viewers are going to relate to this. she cleaned out her in-between grazing. in the past we sat down and this was what she was eating, at work, a bag of chips, six of the fun-size candy bars, vending machine oreos, then more chips with fattening dip, after dinner a bunch of crackers and a brownie sundae. the meals were okay, but at this rate, she was gaining a pound a day. now she's so clean now, apples, she snacks on grapes, she does lots of raw vegetables. >> once you start doing that, it starts to taste good to you. >> and melts off. >> here's pam's before picture. all right, pam, let's join the joy fit club. wow! >> oh, my god! >> show her up and down. >> wow! >> pam, that's unbelievable. >> thank you

would it be eddie bauer? step out at thanksgiving and get ahead on the shopping list. dave: walmart getting a leg up on the competition by opening its doors before black friday. time for retail winners and losers this season with our own sandra smith. >> if you want to we known outside walmart on thursday night but here's what they're doing but opening doors at 8:00. big competitors last year, target, they didn't open until midnight on the day after thanksgiving so we will see if they follow in walmart's footsteps. your the big deals being offered. walmart guaranteeing the ipad 2. opening their doors at 8:00 but guaranteeing between 10:00 and 11:00 at night. this is 1-hour for $399, the 16 gigabyte one plus $75 gift card. if they run out there giving you a guaranteed card that you will get one. best buy, the samsung galaxy s 3, the very fancy little device, $48 with the two your contract. [talking over each other] >> that is a good deal. [talking over each other] sandra: sam's club, everybody gets new tvs for christmas. this hdtv -- [talking over each other] sandra: it

financial companies in recent years, and this happened with companies like friendly ice cream and eddie bauerthat you have a bankruptcy, and what happens is that the pension gets peeled off and gets assumed by the pension benefit guarantee corporation, which is a federally ensured insurance company. and they would assume part or all of the pension obligation and then once that happens, once you have peeled off the pension, then the asset becomes more attractive to new buyers and they take over the company. and people are left without pensions. >> these workers on fixed wages and fixed benefits, they are not in charge of sales, they are not in charge of product development. they're not in charge of innovation. they are the workers that make the product and do all the things. yet in so many of these cases, they end up getting the blame. it's all their fault. they are the reason why. this is the bain model of capitol capitalism, isn't it? >> absolutely. oons bain did a lot of deals like this. they peeled off the pension fund a couple times. there was a gas company, i believe, they were involved

bauer is reigning over the heart of the bay. santa rosa to pick up ride again. mostly cloudy conditions and then sunshine as we head into the afternoon in terms of rainfall totals of the 24 hours about two tenths of an inch of rain for nafta. it was not that bad. livermore about four tenths of an inch. santa rosa nine tenths of an inch. this broken old record set back in 2008. it is very wet out there in impacted trick or treaters. in terms of your current conditions. 50 degrees in san jose. 57 and concord. we have showers now mostly sunny and cool conditions into the afternoon. the marine layer will reestablish itself overnight we will wake up to pretty dense coastal fog. your your kron 4 7 day around the bay forecast shows dry conditions on tap for the week end. monday could be the warmest of the week with inland. upper seventies around the bay. and low '70's with the coast. in terms of traffic that whether having an impact on your thursday commute. we have leftover roadway flooding northbound 101 around paul. >> off his attack in one of the lanes drive with e

joining us now is carl bauer, total care scourge executive officer and editor-in-chief.een down on electric cars to say the least even though i was considering buying a chevy volt. but you saying the spark is a big hit and is selling very well at least in los angeles. is that correct? >> the spark was shown at the l a auto show. but the league has been known for a while and this is doing better and better, seems to slowly being creasing sales and even the chevy volt also, there has been some help with incentives on both of them to cut lease rates but there has also been a ramp up of these quick chargers in los angeles. what we are seeing is a lot of the arguments about electric cars, they cost too much and you have ranged anxiety, being impacted and reduced because the cost is going down and these quick chargers where you get 85% of the charger in 25 minutes is reducing the range. stuart: what i can't get over is the need for a massive subsidy. they will sell the spark for $25,000 but that is only if you get $7,500 worth of tax credits from the government. how do you fee

"today's" nutritionist joy bauer is here with more. it has so much beneficial perks. >> it's been around a while but it's really catching on as we mentioned. l.a. has a resolution. >> right. >> doesn't require people not to eat meat, but basically recommends it. >> like a symbolic gesture, so to speak. if they have a burger they won't get thrown in jail or arrested. >> we're not there yet. >> but we hope they are going to follow. >> as a health issue, can it really help to reduce your meat intake on one day? >> yes, it definitely. can we have some studies that show if you regularly do eat meat, red meat and particularly processed or fatty red meat, you are at an increased risk for serious health conditions. things like diabetes and heart disease, stroke, so it -- it's really worth your while to reduce your intake, and on the flip side we have a large body of evidence that shows when you embrace these plant-based meals, things like beans and lentils and whole foods, soy, you can reduce all those very same health issues. drive down your

i know bob bauer over at the campaign is probably doing everything he can with his team of lawyers to make sure that everybody who votes has a vote that is counted. america runs elections every year right around this time. and i think that this one is going to go just fine, provisional ballots or not. >> i have one here in my hand, bill burton. thank you so much for talking with us this morning. woel talk more about provisional balance balloting with the hamilton county board of elections director. she joins us right after this break. we'll be back. [ woman ] it's 32 minutes to go time, and the candidate's speech is in pieces all over the district. the writer's desktop and the coordinator's phone are working on a joke with local color. the secure cloud just received a revised intro from the strategist's tablet. and while i make my way into the venue, the candidate will be rehearsing off of his phone. [ candidate ] and thanks to every young face i see out there. [ woman ] his phone is one of his biggest supporters. [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center... working together has n

congress randy malka bauer -- chairman baucus appointed me to that at the beginning of his term and i appreciate his leadership. i appreciate the contribution affiliate committee members have made that we've had a great staff. if you look at our committee would have a number of hearings, investigated issues at the same time we've been working on this very important report. sorry folks to put in a lot of extra hours to get us to this point. so the question is, what is this report? welcome to this report is basically a timeline leading up to mf global's collapse. i guess we could ring on training this report the rise and fall of mf global. as the chairman mentioned with recent committee hearing where we had the senior executive officer of this company come. we interviewed over 50 would send mr. chairman engine, we looked at over 247,000 pages of documents. so then the question is then, what was the purpose of this study? it basically was to give us the history of what happened so we can look in the future to make sure this doesn't happen again. this is the first time in history the indu

plenty of diet challenges so here is w surprising stats is "today" nutritionist and contributor joy bauergiving and new years's we gain on average only one pound. >> no. >> one measly pound. >> people are so surprised because you assume with all the fattening holiday fare we put on five, ten pounds. not so. the only downside, and this is according to research in the "new england journal of medicine," we don't take it off, so what happens is we gain one pound this year and another pound the year after. so it's important to really pay attention. forgo the stuff we can get year rou round. >> do they -- >> it is a little bit depressing. now it turns negative so for regular american exercises, december is at its all-time low, and that's a bummer because exercise accomplishes so much. of course it burns some of the extra food calories that we're eating. it also helps to de-stress and a lot of people are caught up in holiday chaos, and to me i think the best part about exercise during this season is that it helps you to press the reset button after a night of really overindulging, and gyms are p

and the leader of our joy fit pack is joy bauer.s gaining a pound a day. now she's so clean now, apples, she snacks on grapes, she does lots of r vegetables. >> once you start doing that, it starts to tas good to you. >> and melts off. >> here's pam's before picture. all right, pam, let's join the joy fit club. wow! >> oh, my god! >> show her up and down. >> wow! >> pam, that's unbelievable. >> thank you so much. >> you said it started with the steps. you just started exercising? >> i started down my driveway, made it to the end of the driveway, which was quite a challenge to me. and back up. >> hopefully, you made it back to the house. >> i did. >> just increased it a little bit, is that what happened? >> a little further every night. the whole weight loss took about 18 months. >> can we shout out your adorable husband? how many years have you been married? >> 42 years. >> what do you think of your bride? >> tremendous change, it's awesome. >> so glad to see you, congratulations. >> you'll enjoy your grandchildren for a long time.