let's get into it with max baukus. also served as u.s. ambassador to china for president obama. melissa murray, a former then clerk to judge sotomayor. good evening to all of you. >> hi. >> great to have you. senator, your first time on this special, i begin with you. you are the member of the panel who is actually adjudicated a senate trial of a president. what does it mean when we see the house explicitly laying out the evidence and looking at the potential article? bribery being an article of impeachment. >> he's going to be impeached. the question is what is the senate going to do? i think the house committee, house intelligence committee has done a good job in a noon circus-like way given the facts out why president trump has probably bribed or tried to bribe the president of ukraine. but i still think clearly this has become very political. democrats are going to impeach him. what's going to happen in the senate? my sense is thus far that's a close call what the senate does. it depends what else comes out of these hearings. if it makes it more clear that he's prescribe ee'