they came together in essence and the organization, the organizing of this event was led by bayard rustin. they have been many march on washington, but this was the first time it was put together. and bayard did it with a group of kids. i mean 18, 19, 20 years old, and they organized it in eight weeks. >> we are in a very trying and divisive time. even when i say that, i'm being generous. to have this seem to be looking backwards. but really not in the rearview mirror. it's really in the forefront of our minds. rustin himself was a huge proponent, in spite of these things going on, of nonviolent action. we are seeing threats and acts of political violence all over this country. what should our nation take away from his approach? >> i think we should take away the fact that the understanding that living in a democracy doesn't mean that you get to experience that which is great about it. you have to be engaged in makinge that the muscle that is democracy is protected and honored and fought for and fought for passionately. fought for does not mean with weapons or guns but with heart and with

king the individuals who are so incredibly influential, you know, bayard rustin, andrew young, scott king about, ralph abernathy, who is he's always in the background. he's always there. and we never talk about it. but there's one figure who i just became obsessed with when you were actually describing dream speech and you were talking about the national park ranger, gordon gani gun drum. all right. so gun drum for those you don't know is at the king speech. he is in the pictures because he's basically within five feet of king for the entirety of probably the most famous speech in history. and instead of talking about i have a dream speech as would normally just here's speech, here's what happened. you do it through the eyes of gunny and i'm wondering why did you do that? and what do you think it tells us about the way in which we perceive history? that's such a great question. thank you. and nobody's ever really asked me about before, so i'm thrilled when i began to think about the chapter on i have a dream, i thought it's the arguably the the climax of the book. it's king's greates