bayh you are going to have a smaller program than you otherwise would -- 7500 account holders is larger, by far, then what marin is offering. president vietor: can i ask a follow-up question? don't they have a substitution claus? >> yes, they have a clause in their contract with shell that allows them to some substitutes resources through negotiation or construction. president vietor: is that something we are considering as well? >> yes. we are providing a similar opportunity. the fact that we may have more customers, more accounts than projected through our opt-in and in the event we are wrong on the rates of opt out may allow us to procure additional resources above the 30 megawatts commitment remaking with shell. president vietor: if this work is complete for build out, hal will that fit in? >> is not need to be addressed in our contract. in the schedule we are talking about so far, having nats -- that room in the term sheet will be provided their. we are on a separate track, working on how we're going to procure those resources. we have had a number of meetings with stakeholders abo

bayh you are going to have a smaller program than you otherwise would -- 7500 account holders is larger, by far, then what marin is offering. president vietor: can i ask a follow-up question? don't they have a substitution claus? >> yes, they have a clause in their contract with shell that allows them to

or offer much money so they can maybe clinch repeating this time it's led many of bayh's it so eager to join the euro gang feeling they're now simply being pushed around there. back in. but france has been warned by the international monetary fund that it needs more cuts to avoid becoming the next victim of the debt crisis now i'm f. it says the country's credit rating could be at risk if austerity measures are taken economics or for patrick young bodies price develops its problems longer. the problem is look these aren't things that have just happened suddenly i mean the french budget deficit has been in a deficit but french budget since one nine hundred seventy four i mean leaves are things that have been going on for thirty or forty years it's absolutely ludicrous and truthfully governments need to stop spending and they need to be very realistic avoid their budgets there are fundamental to huge problems going all the way through the euro zone and we don't have any leaders who are willing to give us a sustainable solution this is typical of contagion we've been talking about it fo

. >> former democratic senator evan bayh and former white house chief of staff andy card is trying toposition with the bush center. >> i'm actually at texas a&m and the bush school for the first president bush. >> gotcha. >> thank you for the clarification. my apologies for that mistake. >> thank you. >> let's get to what appears to be a bipartisan effort by the two of you which is coming together to stop some of this overregulation. let me start with you, senator. you believe that the overregulation has stunted the growth of the economy. correct? >> well, there's no question when you talk to small businessmen and women that the cost of complying with so many different regulations is one of the things that's holding back job creation and so, look, there's a role for reasonable regulation. we all know that. but at this moment in time, when the economy is struggling and in particularly when we have foreign competitors, we need to make sure it doesn't go too far. yes, it plays a role in holding back the economy. >> indeed. andy, i was reading a release from the u.s. chamber of commerce,

we have not remain completely neutral and by project on bayh's for the purposes of the debate. -- we have remained completely neutral and unbiased for the purposes of the debate. we're waiting after the debate and we want to see the cream rise to the top. it was at constitutional conservatives that had the ideas and solutions to fix this crisis we are and in turn this country back around from this economic collapse that we're headed towards? that is what we are waiting to decide. i think that we will see somebody, and honestly, i do not think all the players around the field yet. i do not think so. do you think so? host: from cape canaveral, florida. the republican line. caller: i want to shift the focus away from our representative government to our people. i think we have some real challenges for the electorate. i think every american should be willing to pay taxes, and we have roughly 50% that are not. and people should be prepared to bear arms and serve their country. and every american needs to be educated about the issues that face the country and we have roughly 40% dropout ra

and i think that this was a smart bayh to tell because kennedy ended the cuban missile crisis and given the gravity of the situation at the time, i think it was imperative that he bring it to an and without the possibility of war. and he did that and he felt the only way he could do it was by telling a lie. >> host: did fdr lie back to get us into world war ii? >> guest: he lied to try to get us into world war ii in the late summer of 1941. there was a naval incident in the atlantic ocean involving a uss greer, which was a naval, a u.s. navy surface ship and it was involved in an operation with a british aircraft and they ran into a german submarine. what roosevelt did was he told a series of lies about the greer for the purposes of getting us into world war ii because of the time he was desperate to get us into the war and he was having great difficulty doing it because you was dealing with isolationist america. so he told a lie to try to get us in but it didn't work. get to pearl harbor to get us into the war. >> host: professor mearsheimer went to world leaders get behind closed door

ourselves a little bit differently than maybe how other people would talk about us, so you are reading a bayh yes text and i love frederick douglass but i'm sure if somebody else at mets writing the story of -- [laughter] so, it is the failure of our foot book tv critical faculty and investment to be honest about this as african-american people we are very protective of our heroes, very protective of them but sometimes it is to the exclusion of wanting to accept them as men and women and here is why i like the book to read. precisely what melissa said is true about menachem becoming, but we do when we mythologize figures like mao mix and martin luther is weak scare off people from thinking that they can be leaders. we make it look like it is a mystical to word that you have to be born into it and have to be in prison and somebody has to anoint you, we make it all sound like magic and it's not magic. these are men and women and they are human beings and everyone has the potential to be a great leader so i always feel when we begin to get texts that helpless human rights, i like the boring part

>> bayh then i have retired from the police service. >> mr. clarke, any evidence that you gave, why did not do it and exhaustive search of an example of the evidence? >> just trying to reflect on that. a simple question and no simple answer. if you like me to consider why i did not do part of the job, either you do the job properly or you do not do it at all. i consider the decision at the time was person -- perfectly reasonable. i had to weigh up the balance between privacy. >> what you've done that job better with a sample of the evidence that you had? >> i cannot say. it is pure speculation. >> you say that the law stop you because you're up against in international organization. if a lot does not allow fishing expeditions, but it would of supported you if you had obtained sufficient evidence to justify a reasonable suspicion, if you have been able to obtain access and no amount of lawyers with unable to stop you for the question is, there were 11,000 pages sitting not properly reviewed. i suggest they could have been reviewed and should of

what is your bayh's to these younger members, these freshmen members?st: we're going to sit down as a conference and talk about this. i am one of the founders of the republican study committee. recall that the conservative action team that now has 170 members. it is a very conservative group. i support their views 99% of the time. i have not made up my mind if i am going to support this plan. i think it does have some merit. but i want to listen them. i will listen to the leadership in conference and hopefully come up with eight ideas to get the job done. host: what if they don't know right now? -- vote no right now? guest: you're turning over all lot of decisions to a committee made up of members from both houses. there is no guarantee that those cuts are going to be made. what i think needs to be done, and what they need is a guaranteed that we're going to spend less than we are taking in. host: how do you get that guarantee? guest: you get it up front. if the debt ceiling is going to be raised, there have to be spending cuts guaranteed in advance the

>> bayh these obligations more important than other legal obligations? >> for the reasons that we cited. many of us believe that it would be very imprudent to choose to default on our debt for specific things. the economic chaos that would insure -- ensue. so security is vital for many american singers. and we feel obligation for the men and women who are literally risking their lives in wars that are under way right now. these are not the only things that can be paid. as he could face some -- as you can see, there are other expenses that can be paid. we think that those rise the highest level of importance. >> my first question, what should not get paid? >> we ought to get a solution to this problem. everyone on this platform voted for a solution or advocates that, namely, that we put our budget on past the balance. if the president refuses to come along with putting that into place, then there is a danger that we will cross the august 2 deadline, and in that case, these are the priorities. there room for other payments to be made, and it is not our int

if you are indiana like senator -- senator bayh it would be okay.ou both for doing this, and i want to thank all of you for assembling in this hall. this is the most incredible institution in the world. i thank you. may god protect america and all of our troops. now we're going to swear him in again. [applause] [applause] >> mr. and mrs. panetta will join vice president biden for the oath of office. >> all right, leon, do you solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states. against all enemies foreign and domestic. [repeat] >> that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. [repeat] >> that i take this obligation freely. without mental reservation or purpose of evasion. and that i had well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which i'm about to enter. so help me god. [repeat] >> thank you. [applause] [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, the 23rd secretary of defense, leon e. panetta. >> thank you very much, mr. vice president. and my thanks to all of you. dear friends and colleagues and peop

>> bayh then i have retired from the police service. >> mr. any evidence that you gave, why did not do it and exhaustive search of an example of the evidence? >> just trying to reflect on that. a simple question and no simple answer. if you like me to consider why i did not do part of the job, either you do the job properly or you do not do it at all. i consider the decision at the time was person -- perfectly reasonable. i had to weigh up the balance between privacy. >> what you've done that job better with a sample of the evidence that you had? >> i cannot say. it is pure speculation. >> you say that the law stop you because you're up against in international organization. if a lot does not allow fishing expeditions, but it would of supported you if you had obtained sufficient evidence to justify a reasonable suspicion, if you have been able to obtain access and no amount of lawyers with unable to stop you for the question is, there were 11,000 pages sitting not properly reviewed. i suggest they could have been reviewed and should of been re

bayh's president biden several weeks ago led a bipartisan group of leaders to try to do some of the initialcussions. it was not -- it did not end up with a final package, but it helped to set some of the framework which helps to explain why there is some agreement in the general approach of these three proposals. host: next up is lansing, kan., wayne, you are on the "washington journal" with richard cohen. caller: i should have been on the independent line but i will take that. the major powers of the world thought over what they had, and we're going to be fighting over what nobody else has. i'm afraid that if someone does not come up with something will soon, you can call it what everyone, but there's not want to be much choice to fight ever. guest: there is reason to be discouraged these days with the politics and economics. to some extent, there are problems obviously with the economy around the world. i would say some spots are better than others, some growth areas, but to the extent that the u.s. economy is weak, that clearly does have an impact around the world. host: as we take a loo

we have not remain completely neutral and by project on bayh's for the purposes of the debate. -- wee remained completely neutral and unbiased for the purposes of the debate. we're waiting after the debate and we want to see the cream rise to the top. it was at constitutional conservatives that had the ideas and solutions to fix this crisis we are and in turn this country back around from this economic collapse that we're headed towards? that is what we are waiting to decide. i think that we will see somebody, and honestly, i do not think all the players around the field yet. i do not think so. do you think so? host: from cape canaveral, florida. the republican line. caller: i want to shift the focus away from our representative government to our people. i think we have some real challenges for the electorate. i think every american should be willing to pay taxes, and we have roughly 50% that are not. and people should be prepared to bear arms and serve their country. and every american needs to be educated about the issues that face the country and we have roughly 40% dropout rate a

bayh's president biden several weeks ago led a bipartisan group of leaders to try to do some of the initial discussions. it was not -- it did not end up with a final package, but it helped tset some of the framework which helps to explain why there is some agreement in the general approach of these three proposals. host: next up is lansing, kan., wayne, you aren the "washington journal" with richard cohen. caller: i should have been on the independent line but i will take that. the major powers of the world thought over what they had, and we're going to be fighting over what nobody else has. i'm afraid that if someone does not come up with something will soon, you can call it what everyone, but there's not want to be much choice to fight ever. guest: there is reason to be discouraged these days with the politics and economics. to some extent, there are problems obviously with the economy around the world. i would say some spots are better thanthers, se growth areas, but to the extent that the u.s. economy is weak, that clearly does have an impac around the world. host: as we take a look it

bayh, equal rule of law. finally, a government that does not spend more than it takes in. that is the answer for the american people. >> to you tap the nation's oil reserves? >> no. only in a time of national emergency. the right answer for energy is to start developing our own energy. we have natural gas in abundance. we have been using that not only for power generation, but also for transportation. we should be drilling for oil offshore in and more -- in anwr. nuclear power will come back in a safe way. and of course the renewal bowls -- renewables. we need to be energy deficient and if we do that, we will be far less dependent on the cartels and the way they would stop energy prices -- whipsaw energy prices. >> social security is important for seniors, including my grandparents. without it, the elder the poverty rate would increase by 35%. do you support changes to social security that would increase the poverty rate for seniors? >> absolutely not. what we should do is preserve social security. when you hear time and time again is social security has been rated over th