thomas kidd, associate professor and history of baylor university, author of kwelt gr "great awakeningow are you? have a seat. joined by jerome hathe. how are you? >> fine. >> glenn: associate professor of communications at indiana university east and author of "preaching politics: the religious rhetoric of george whitefield and the founding of a new nation." guys, first of all, neither of you thought i'll do a national show on george whitefield soon. right? am i the first person to say -- yeah. he's totally relaced from most people's history books. most people never heard of george whitefield. how big of a role do you think he played? >> well, one of the things you have to start with, with whitefield, he was the best-known person in colonial america, period. >> glenn: how is that possible? that's like in 200 years people saying michael jackson, who? what? he was that big of a rock star, right? >> he was. the equivalent of saying they hadn't heard about billy graham or something not to know about whitefield. the primary instigators of the great awakening of the 18th century and he spok

there's don baylor.s the man back in the day. >> bob: he did anything he could do generate even more offense here than they already had. >> rob: those team were ridiculous though. >> bob: they are the most intimidating teams i've seen in the national league. >> bob: galarraga, castilla. vinny even played in the wbc. >> bob: 2-2 to brad hawpe. bernadina charged it well, holding seth smith at second base. and the rockies have two men aboard. that walk extended this inning. and now two hitters later, atilano is dealing with troy tulowitzki. adam dunn, upper deck today. longest home run in coors field history? was not a left-handed batter. loading, loading. >> rob: duh duh duh. >> bob: it was mondeci. >> rob: not '95. i'm not buying into that. i think they made that up. >> bob: i thought piazza went further. >> rob: i googled it today. either google is wrong on the denver page or they're making that up. >> bob: you guys settle that one. right now, it's time to get out tulowitzki. out to right center. nyjer m

host: he is a graduate of baylor university school of law. he served three terms as a district judge. our next telephone call is from dayton, ohio. this is maryann on the independent line. >> i come from a strong military family here at the air force base. i have not served, but my uncles and many of my catholic family relatives. guest: the whole family serves when one does. caller: when the u.s. refuses to adhere to international standards with regard to the geneva convention and the torturing in rewriting those aws, is flat out wrong. most people in the military that have been there in a long time do not want to go to war for use in military power when it is unnecessary as we did in iraq. i want to ask you about adhering to international -- the geneva convention and rewriting torture laws. there was a rant and rave about iran. the international the topic -- guest: you keep making statements without a question. we did not violate the geneva convention. if you read it, and you will find out that you have to wear a uniform. these people that a

hasn't been fortunate enough to have a legal education, i'm very blessed with a legal education at baylor university, serving in the army for four years, you learn more than you ever probably want to. but, anyway, terrorists, people who are part of a group, who have said they're at war with this nation, they're not entitled to the same rights under the constitution that we are. just like people in the military are not entitled to the same rights as people in the civilian sector. people at war with this country, going back to the keer an case in 1942, they were called enemy combatants. and if they abided by the geneva convention, they wore a uniform, they abided by the rules of law, then they were entitled to be treated as prisoners of war under the geneva convention and we treat the enemy combatants who are not entitled to anything under the geneva convention better than the geneva convention affords them. and throughout the history of mankind, from people who have studied war and if you're an officer in the military you have been required to study military history, you know that if a nat