say to south africa i don't need your gold, i don't need your diamonds, i don't need your black mum bazzawe could boycott that we can't boycott everything made. there would be nothing to buy. >> stephen: china makes everything. >> right. >> stephen: so what leverage could we have against what leo-- what leverage what can we do for this cat. >> you talk about how dictators didn't like to be shamed. when mandela died the chinese official media in describing pan della wouldn't use the term freedom, democracy or nobel peace prize which mandela also won because they were afraid it would remind people of you know who, that guy. they're so worried about this. they're so worried about what he stands for which is basically freedom, democracy, human rights for the chinese people that they locked him up for 11 years. >> stephen: what is he in jail for. >> for so-called inciting state subversion. >> stephen: did he incite state subversion. >> if you say promoting democracy, freedom, in china, yeah. >> stephen: so there is one who is this. >> this is nebula jab who is a bahraini human rights activist,