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if all we had to do was get our committees to act, whether it's repealing bca or some other measure, we'd be in far better shape, but that's not how this democracy works. that's been the challenge. you mentioned if you talk to any member, most members, they will give due deference to the problems we're facing. but in fairness to members -- and in part, this is a compliment to the united states military. they're not having to deal, thankfully, with a 9/11 or this is not a world war ii environment where everybody knew some person who served. they're constituents are worried about their next paycheck, the survivability of social security. the challenge is not just for congress and the leadership, but for us. it's to try to help other members and their staffs beca e because, as you know, the staff is crucial to bringing issues to leadership. given the state we find ourselves in, we have not been as successful as we'd like to be, and we're continuing those efforts, whether it's a structured one in posture hearings or kind of an opportunity to show our stuff in ausa, which is coming up in

we have inhe past looked at what w would have to happen in earlier yearsnder bca level funding. not where we want to go. we are going to do everything we can to avoid thahat. vago: there's an overwhelmg sense in washington that it will go to a full year continuingng resolution. abouto us a little bit what happenss if it is a full-year continuing resolution. an f that happenens, what are ee programs and other source of release you willll seek from congress -- reliefs he will seek from congress? >> we don't want that to happen. i i understand the idea that a year-lonong cr as possle. we are hoping congress will work th out somehow and come some kind of a compromise. but that doesn't look like it's going to be e case. incrcreasingly it is looking lie let's make the supplemental accounts so large that it's unacceptable for the president he's alread said, i'm going to to that. if you're going to end up in thisosition, what t will be the impact of a full-year cr on acquisition programs and how do you mitigate that? >> we are still trying t to dig our way out of thehe hole we put ourse

i think the intention is usually in the right place at their limited by politics and by the bca first foremost. a lot of the situations. so putting on your politician had, just a meaning it, you don't have to if you want to come but if you on the hill at you still ranking member, chairman of armed service committee, what would you hope for, but which of leadership that doesn't sit on these committees and hear about the day-to-day challenges the military facing up what would you hope beyond reversing sequestration, which wanting to repeal the bca entirely? >> look, i'm a recovering politician and i'm not sure where i left my politicians have, but he mentioned this. we are very, very confident and comfortable with the posture of our oversight committees. the members understand the nuances. that's why they are on those committees because the other members want them to be experts. if you are talking about the leadership, particularly senator reid, senator mccain, mac thornberry, adam smith, and their subcommittee chairman's am i think they're trying to do everything they can to help other

it's kicking the can down the road. -- bca cap to 2020. how do you feel about that?>> i think we are seeing what people's interests are. if there is to be a broad to your budget deal -- 2 year budget deal, it is likely that some congressman will want it to be paid for. they may raise the caps on defend and nondefense. they may raise productions in lower priority entitlements. to get spending scored is to extend the caps. right now the congressional budget office, which does the scoring, we look through 21, and get some credit for that. it is a possibility. was a dealnt, if it that got us in the next two years with budgetary certainty for dod and other federal agencies, i would live without. expanding caps is kind of way out there. i matter how much substance there is. i think it's more important that we find a way to make a deal. i didn't answer one of your earlier questions. maybe i should do it quickly, which is review the bidding on where we are at defense. it's been an interesting year so far. we have seen all four committees and both houses pass both appropriati

and that's our challenge if all we had to do was get our committees to act whether it's repeating bca or some other measure, we would be in far better shape. but that's not how this democracy works. that's been the challenge to you mentioned, he become if you talk to any member, most members, they will give due deference to the problems we are facing. but in fairness to members, and in part this will accomplish to the united states military, they are not having to deal, thankfully, with a 9/11. or this is not a world war ii environment where every person knew somebody who serve. these individuals go back, and their constituents are word about their next paycheck, worried about the survivability of social security, what their children's futures going to be. .. kind of an opportunity to show our status. we are just going to the hill every single day and trying to me with psn and mla and tell them the realities of what we are facing. we are doing that and obviously if this were easily would've been asked this already. >> myelin that last question is on the aviation restructuring initiati

however, the way it would work would simply be as far as i can tell to push the bca limits out to 2020 the can down the road, which you be in favor of that in terms of we can address today's issues and hope that something will happen in 10 years? >> i will wave the white flag here. i think we see well people's interests are, which is fair enough. bob, do you want to start? >> for discretionary spending to go through 21 right now and one of the ways-- if there is to be eight to your budget deal on murray ryan to as many call it, it is likely that some in congress, many perhaps we'll wanted to be paid for. it might raise the limits on defense and i think also nondefense and they would want some offsets in terms of reductions, in terms of laurel-- lower priority entitlements and one of the ways to get spending or saving scored is to extend the limits because right now congressional legend office but does the scoring would look through 21 if they saw them extended further they would give some credit for that, so is a possibility that-- you know, at this point if it was a deal that got us t

. >> the bca, the budget caps, budget control act, still apply. in fact, that law still runs until the year 2021. so we're going to be in this mode of making -- of not knowing what our funding level is ultimately going to be, and living from year to year in this uncertain context, which makes planning very, very difficult. you we have 30 or so major systems acquisitions to manage across the ic, most of those in the inner row. and it plays havoc when you don't know what the budget situation is going to be, and of course it has huge impact on our most valuable asset, which is our workforce. and that uncertainty, the lingering uncertainty, now stretching into four years, is having impact on the workforce, and that is evidenced in our latest ic climate survey. so it is a very daunting thing, a challenging thing to manage in this kind of environment. i will say that i believe the office, my office, od and i has been put to the litmus test during this four years of uncertainty of reduction. every year after 9/11, the intelligence community got more mone