i'm a baby beamer boomer and -- baby-boomer and i started looking at the janitors in the school and myather's generation differently. how were you able to connect with that generation then write stories about them? i just saw them as older people. >> guest: that wasn't my experience. my experience was when i was a kid, i was born in '52ment when i was a kid who couldn't addition wouldn't let me go outside by myself. i was around my relatives and my relatives were so like interesting. told wild stories about fifth ward, houston, texas, and world war ii, and about trouble -- i remember my father telling me they had gone down to galveston in ha big old car, four guy, and we are pearing all night but now it's the next morning, driving back, three of the guys are sleeping you can't see them and one guy is driving and another guy drives in front, like in a car, and then another car comes up right behind them and the guy driving says, i think we got trouble. and sure enough the guy in the front, hits his brakes brakes ao they had to stop and the other car jumps and both guys come out of the f