that changes everything when lehman went under i first got the call that jpmorgan want to acquire bear stearnsk before you go does anything today feel like what we lived through what we witnessed, during the failure of lehman brothers, are you expecting, any -- you know, significant decline in this market given inflation, higher interest rates, spending,ets, et cetera, et cetera,. >> the fact extreme level speculation the fact one investor literally almost took down you know large financial institutions, that tells you the risk reward is aterrorious two to 4% upside, probably 30 to 40% down at the end of the day, you look at big banks in europe credit suisse, ubs they have a lot of exposure here we are hearing from clients going off to to be a capital raise or at the end of the day may be there may be, a force had the merge of ubs and credit suisse speculated in the market won't be a lehman type disaster, but it will calf be a shock coming, coming soon probably next about 30 to 60 days. >> wow. larry we will keep talking about this i know that credit suisse ubs story has been going on a while