and in real life in '84 hart was listening to beatty. and as we all know, the '88 campaign never happened because of donna rice. so, yeah. you know, nothing -- i may be wrong about some of this stuff, i'm perfectly prepared to believe this. yeah, i really am. but nothing in this book that i am asserting is without some foundation where you can -- and mcgovern, in fact, came in and said warren payty was a very helpful -- beatty was a very helpful adviser, not just a star who got a crowd. >> host: in terms of what? in terms of pr? messaging? >> guest: messaging, yeah. >> host: give a sense of where that really happened. >> guest: in detail? i just know that beatty was in the room when they were talking about things like the nature of mcgovern's message, what he should say in speeches. i can't, i can't with -- be more specific than that. >> host: but, i mean, in terms of how it related to the gary hart campaign. i mean, the initial gary hart -- >> guest: you mean in the '84 campaign? >> host: in the '84 campaign. >> guest: in the '84 campai

and reading a biography of warren beatty, he got to meet gary hart when hart was running the mcgovernampaign and didn't want to be a celebrity. i mean, he helped raise money for him by organizing concerts and stuff. he had -- you know, he was an advisor and he had some chops. and in '84, hart was listening to beatty and as we know the '88 campaign didn't happen because of donna rice, so, yeah. nothing i mean, i may be wrong about some of this stuff. i'm perfectly prepared to believe this but, yeah, but nothing where i'm concerting where there's no foundation and mcgovern said warren beatty was a very helpful advisor, not just a star who got a crowd. >> host: in terms of what? in terms of p.r., messaging? >> guest: messaging? yeah. >> host: give us a sense where that really happened. >> guest: in detail. i just know that beatty was in the room when they were talking about things like the nature of mcgovern's message, what he should say in speeches. i can't -- i can't be more specific than that. >> host: but i mean, in terms of how it related to the gary hart campaign, i mean, the initi

and reading a biography of warren beatty. he got to meet gary hart went hart was running for the mcgovern campaign and didn't want to be celebrity. he helped raise money for him by organizing concerts and stuff but he was -- he was an adviser and he had some chops. in real life, and 84, hart was listening to beaty and as we all know the 88 campaign never happened because of rice. so yeah, i mean, i may be wrong about some of the stuff. i'm perfectly prepared to believe this. yeah, i really am but nothing in this book that i'm asserting is without some#0 foundation, that mcgovern in fact and warren beatty was a very helpful adviser. not just a star. >> host: in terms of what? in terms of messaging? >> guest: messaging, yeah. >> host: give a sense of where that really happened. >> guest: in detail? i just know that beaty was in the room when they were talking about things like the nature of mcgovern's message, what he should say in his speeches and i can't be more specific than that. >> host: in terms of how it related to the g

john murray entertainment reporter for the times morning show and kelly beatty former reality show.e see some of the biggest stars we know we know them from reality tv. >> i think it is cheap to produce. so people are suddenly flooding the markets. i don't think that it puts black people worse off. i think look at "jersey shore". it is a white cast. it looks just as bad as" contintiny and toya". >> there is variety. you have serious shows and you have had shows like "harlem heights". and then you have flavor of love that run their course. we have to watch the good stuff so they can stay on the air. >> flavor of love had three seasons? >> five. >> we watched it. >> i saw that. i love new york, i saw -- i am the problem. i am not part of the solution. i watch it. why are we so attracted to the images? >> i think it is who we are at people. why does everyone slow down and watch the wreck on the highway. we enjoy watching other people's tragedies. i think it is exactly what you said. i'm guilty. i'm a reality television addict more than i care to admit. when you look at the ratings and

and my memory here is that warren beatty was trying to hone the new message that the only way that you could win because mondale back then was the old favorite, and gary hart had a good either for what would resonate. >> host: do clearly decided for reasons i'm going to ask about now. gary hart deserved another chance, if not in reality, then certainly in your fact fiction. >> guest: without giving this way, you have read to the end of the book? >> host: i have. >> guest: here's what struck me, i interviewed a lot of gary hart warren beatty aides and people who covered him. he was an extraordinarily complicated figure. his mind was as simple as anybody in politics. and in real life apart from the obvious donald rice thing not destroyed him but it really hurt him is he couldn't get into the music of politics. he wanted people to vote for him only for his ideas. so he realized when he ran and began to run in 87 as the favorite, his advisers kept saying look, spent ten minutes with this person in iowa and the organized seven counties. he said i will do it. i want this person to make this

beatty that the lines of communication have been opened and that they're hoping to intensify them they say that they are talking with the british the french and the americans to reach some kind of neutral settlement that would see the stopping of killings of civilians now we are hearing the same line coming out of london it has confirmed that in recent weeks it has been meeting in private with several high ranking libyan officials we know that just on wednesday mohammed ismail who is a trusted aide the son was in london he was trying to organize what we understand some kind of an exit strategy for the gadhafi family that landed insisting that any kind of deal any kind of settlement plan would have to include some sort of stepping down now it does seem that a political settlement is possibly the way forward certainly the mood and the assessment one gets here on the ground is that the fighting has reached some kind of stalemate neither side is actually winning in terms of the last few days neither side has actually been able to move forward or backwards so people here increasingly thinki

terrorist organization when the big shot their air play a crappy lady killing their neighbors to beatty invading cuban airspace jimmy carter is from cuba. for the release of the killing of the civilian aircraft it has no weapons upon it and you clearly knew what it was excuse me immediately big bets . already we're going to go to so now we're going to saul go ahead saul go ahead. ray but if a cuban plane flew over washington how long you think it would last i don't think it would last thirty seconds ok period no no country in the world allows on a license their crap that is aircraft that's not permitted to fly over its capital period that's it well they were they were target weren't over almost all in their head of it and they were still about seven or eight miles out to sea is a writer and you know what i mean it should be here a short water jukebox please i'm going to jump in here is very messy today ok ok i'd like to talk but i'd like to talk about states get up so i would like to talk i would like to talk about the impact of the the cuban community the divided community community in

beatty that lines of communication have been opened and that they're hoping to intensify them they said that they are talking with the british the french and the americans to reach some kind of neutral settlement that would see the stopping of killings of civilians now we are hearing the same line coming out of london it has confirmed that in recent weeks it has been meeting in private with civil high ranking libyan officials we know that just on reins day mohammed ismail who is a trusted aide of gadhafi sons was in london he was trying to organize what we understand some kind of an exit strategy for the gadhafi family but landed insisting that any kind of deal any kind of settlement plan would have to include gadhafi himself stepping down we're hearing from doctors on the frontline and some of the most recent nato a strikes at least seven civilians were killed they were all children three of them were girls from the same family you know what we've been told in what was to put incidents nature is right it's an ammunitions and laurie and the explosions caused two nearby houses to collaps

really reads as a who's who talking about when you met marilyn monroe, surprisingly kissed by warren beatty, you had stories about desi arnaz in there. even getting slipped a phone number from the then senator john f. kennedy. >> yes, that was a surprise. that was when i was under contract to fox. i was very young. and i had been put in a television series called "how to marry a millionaire" which was based on the movie that marilyn monroe had done. they sent the three of us, the three girls in this series, to new york to publicize it. they put us in rented mink coats down to our ankles, you know. and as we were coming home, i was at the candy counter at the airport, which is now jfk, and a man came over to me and said who are you with? and i said, well, 20th century fox. no, somebody is with you. i said yes, booker mcclay, the publicist. so he went over to booker mcclay and pretty soon book came over to me and said would you like to meet senator kennedy? i said i don't know. i didn't know who he was. and so eventually we went into a little private room and the gentleman who had come to me

he didn't have a plantation, beatty did have slaves. as a supporter of slavery, adamant about like inferiority. he said everybody has to admit why people are superior to blacks. we should try to raise them up. if you raise them up, we should raise ourselves even further so that the distance would always be the same. that was his plan. he said this is a white man's government and will remain a white man's government. when someone says that out loud and said adamantly over and over again and you have a policy from the republicans in congress saying black vote, land reforms, some sort of political life are but people come you realize they were loggerheads and that's what it was all about. his vision in the south -- bringing the south back into the union did not encompass anything about changing black people santos began taking them out of coleco slavery. that's where the battle was joined between him and republicans and that's what eventually led to his impeachment. a person -- one person who is a biographer of johnson started the book out

he didn't have a plantation, beatty did have slaves. as a supporter of slavery, adamant about like inferiority. he said everybody has to admit why people are superior to blacks. we should try to raise them up. if you raise them up, we should raise ourselves even further so that the distance would always be the same. that was his plan. he said this is a white man's government and will remain a white man's government. when someone says that out loud and said adamantly over and over again and you have a policy from the republicans in congress saying black vote, land reforms, some sort of political life are but people come you realize they were loggerheads and that's what it was all about. his vision in the south -- bringing the south back into the union did not encompass anything about changing black people santos began taking them out of coleco slavery. that's where the battle was joined between him and republicans and that's what eventually led to his impeachment. a person -- one person who is a biographer of johnson started the book out

he didn't have a plantation, beatty did have slaves. as a supporter of slavery, adamant about like inferiority. he said everybody has to admit why people are superior to blacks. we should try to raise them up. if you raise them up, we should raise ourselves even further so that the distance would always be the same. that was his plan. he said this is a white man's government and will remain a white man's government. when someone says that out loud and said adamantly over and over again and you have a policy from the republicans in congress saying black vote, land reforms, some sort of political life are but people come you realize they were loggerheads and that's what it was all about. his vision in the south -- bringing the south back into the union did not encompass anything about changing black people santos began taking them out of coleco slavery. that's where the battle was joined between him and republicans and that's what eventually led to his impeachment. a person -- one person who is a biographer of johnson started the book out