the center for responsive politics website, you see that we are outspent 15 to going to wine and becauseork hard we are having person-to-person conversations and not winning the tv ad award. will the afl-cio endorse a democratic candidates in the 2016 primary? >> may be. would that be unusual? >> it would not be unusual at all. >> thank you for being with us. we continue the conversation with melanie trautman of the wall street journal and alexis from real clear politics. just how influential will specificallyor be in this midterm election? >> they are very influential. they do help get out the vote for democrats. without them democrats would be in more of a bind. -- theyy are strong at have incorporated technology, social media. 2012 was the first time that campaign finance allowed them to knock on doors of people who worked -- who weren't there members. they work with their unions. they also work with unions like the f eia you -- like the feiu. democrats need them and they need them at kratz to accomplish what they are chine to accomplish. them at despite the fact that their membership is