and so in that way your family had a much larger continuity living on the hill than mine becaushill than minebecause my n 1920. but you didn't know the history that much, right? >> guest: >> host: i didn't know anything about the hill to be honest with you. we used to always say to ourselves we have a piece of land out there. that was good for us. i never thought about it back then or any of that bad stuff that happened on the hill. i never thought about it. reading your book though, i was kind of proud of who my grandparents were and what they did as far as hoping the community get along there was also kind of sad to learn this stuff. >> guest: maybe i was naÏve but when i got to the county and i started doing the research i realized the only history that was in the book for him in the library even in one of the history works that was done in 1976 made it sound like the clan must be nine. i found a shocking as late as 1976 and that's about the time that you were born in a town. so, it was why do you think when your father was so proud of living on the hill and it meant so much to him wh