. >> let me tell you there's also a lot of jobs in the private sector, becausite now there's an in-sourcing effort going on where contracts are being terminated and bought in to be done by federal civil service personnel. so i know in my community there are private contractors that are losing their employees for government employee, and there is no timeline in this for government to accomplish getting down to that 30%. again, it's through attrition. >> mr. chairman, i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from -- texas. mr. president reyes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. let me associate myself with the comments of mr. forbes, because you know, i don't know why we attacked federal employees. if we learned anything from the iraq experience it was that contracting out is very expensive. and part of what these kinds of efforts do is demoralize the federal workforce. we've got to people that continuously are deployed out of the pentagon to all parts of the world. i know that from my experience on the intelligence committee, and not doing an assessment, not do