>> becton dickinson is a name we like in the medical supplies business. trading at 13 times earnings. that's an attractive thing to own. the market's giving you a chance here. >> so you were one of those money managers out there waiting for that pullback to pile in? >> right. only to be smashed probably on monday. >> i agree with karen, by the way, on the volatility itself. you look at the volatility, it didn't panic. you saw bigs whooshed in the day early right out of the gate. then once we started to flatline you look at that volatility index, it pulled back dramatically. really pulling back toward 28 after getting 2960, that was a big pullback, pushed back up toward the end of the day. still under 30. that's the new norm or the old norm again. looking at 30 for the next signs of panic. >> but listen, my golden gopher friend. that's the university of minnesota's mascot. what is a golden gopher? >> they're going to beat which is which is this week. >> i don't know about that. but look at wells fargo, we talked about shorting that for a while that was act