we're sitting on the first floor of the clubhouse at bedminster, and in walked the president from his round of golf. and he sits down, and i'm sitting in the chair across from him. he sits and he looks, what the hell are you doing here? and i said, uh, debate prep. and he goes, are you kidding me? he said, debate prep in july for the end of september? how stupid do you think i am? [laughter] i'm looking now at jared and at meadows, we're both in the room -- [laughter] i just knew that this was a set-up, i knew they hadn't spoken to him because they didn't have the guts to talk to him, and they just figured that i'd charm him. so i had prepared for this. and i went back and since the modern era presidential debates restarted in 1976, you had debates between kennedy and nixon in 1960, and then there were no debates '64, '68 or '72. and then in '76 gerald ford was wayte behind jimmy carter in the race coming out of the convention, so he agreed to debates with carter. so that started the modern era. ever since then there have been presidential debates every four years. what iin brought wi