clifton: i am trying to put it into a book, and working with ari beezer. grandson of lieutenant jacob ari and i are now working on funding a project to record survivor testimony and hopefully how's it at the -- house it at the truman library. host: the survivors are all getting up in years. clifton: there are only 200,000 left, but that sounds like a lot, but considering there were hundreds of thousands originally and there were a lot of people wounded in those attacks, and people who were affected downwind by black rain, raindrops carrying radiation -- there were a lot of people affected. on the edges of the cities, too. host: earlier we were talking about some japanese looking for an apology. there is the story you have about a japanese man asking your grandfather directly for one. clifton: one of the survivors we met had actually been to 1960's -- i in the believe it was a delegation from hiroshima that went to the truman library. i don't know that they went specifically asking for an apology, but that came up and he recalls those words. the head of the