. >> warner: outside the number 1 intermediate people's court in beijing this morning, police kept a few protesters at bay. as inside, the sentence against liu was handed down, one supporter said it carried a clear message for would-be political reformers. >> ( translated ): this shows that the government has destroyed the spirit of legal society and harmonious society that it has been claiming to advocate. >> warner: officially, liu was convicted of "inciting to subvert state power" a broad charge often used by chinese communist authorities to jail opponents. more than a dozen western diplomats were denied entry to the proceedings; but a u.s. embassy spokesman denounced the verdict outside the court. >> the united states government is deeply concerned by the sentence of 11 years of prison announced today in the case of prominent chinese democracy activist liu xiaobo under the charge of inciting subversion of state power. persecution of individuals for the peaceful expression of political views is inconsistent with internationally recognized norms of human rights. >> warner: that "pe

i put in parenthetically that one in beijing is in the downtown -- beijing is a pretty big city. but it is -- it's not in some field. it is down -- it is in town and is, in fact, in an area where a lot of other embassies are being -- >> you are talking about the new one? >> the new one. i'm very intimately familiar with it. >> okay. that's good news to me. i was told that they were building it way out and taking ambassador 35 or 40 minutes to come down to meetings. >> i think -- one, it was not being built way out. it's just that beijing is a very big city and being built in a different part. it has been built in a different part of town. it is true that it is farther away from the abc's residence, the ambassador's residence. but in terms of where it is in beijing, it's in a verycáik@@@@' downtown location where the old very difficult to defend embassy was. and the site was in a bunch of tomato fields owned by local farmers. and it was a 13-acre site. and i went back to that site last year where the new embassy has been in place for 15 years. and the town has grown up around it.

the tightening comesven as china is grong into a economic powerhouse, and making beijing a key player on glal issu ranging from iran's nuclear program to climate change. >> warner: for more onhe meaning of today'sonviction of liu, we turn to sharon hm, exutive director of the advocacy organization huma ghts in chine aa long-time pressor at the city university of new york school of law,nd douglas paul, ce president for studies at the carnee endowment for ternational peace, he seed as an asia expert and a directoon the national secury council staff during the reagan and gege h.w. bush administratis. welcome to you both. miss holm, how big a deal this? how significana development? to have a leading chinese intellectual like thiset this kind of convicti and sentence. >> it's an extreme significant case botdomestically and internationally, oneecause it's not theirst chinese intellectual or lawyer o journali or activist who has been charged, convicted and sentenced for this crime o incitement to bvert state power, and sadly, he won'te e last, so it's extremely significt as what's really on

i put in parenthetically that one in beijing is in the downtown -- beijing is a pretty big city. but it is -- it's not in some field. it is down -- it is in town and is, in fact, in an area where a lot of other embassies are being -- >> you are talking about the new one? >> the new one. i'm very intimately familiar with it. >> okay. that's good news to me. i was told that they were building it way out and taking ambassador 35 or 40 minutes to come down to meetings. >> i think -- one, it was not being built way out. it's just that beijing is a very big city and being built in a different part. it has been built in a different part of town. it is true that it is farther away from the abc's residence, the ambassador's residence. but in terms of where it is in beijing, it's in a very active intercontinental hotel right across the street from it and several other embassies. it's also true that while we have embassy that's are distant, that's been one of the bi-products of building these new embassies. towns and cities grow up around embassies. i was part, years ago, of put willing tog

that in fact we are seeing confidence being built and i would start with the recent summit in beijing. climate change in the context of this summit was a point of agreement rather than disagreement. was one of the points of agreement highlighted by the leaders many of the concrete outcomes of the summit were energy and chri nat -- climate related the joint statement from the two leaders contain some very important language on the issue. both countries resolved to take strong mitigation actions and the two sides said that they resolved to stand behind these commitments. important words i think coming from the leaders of the world's two largest greenhouse gas emiters. together they launched a series of joint initiatives on clean energy, electric vehicles efficiency, coal, other areas of clean energy and i think we can look to those to be producing some concrete results over time that in fact will better enable both countries tackle these issues but parnl i -- importantly i think they do provide opportunities to continue to build and strengthen confidence. in areas such as technology sha

when i was in beijing earlier this year, a professor of economics told me how puzzled yet been to read in a bbc poll, karl marx was the greatest philosopher of all time. it seemed to be much reassured when i told him this wasn't a scientific poll based on a representative sample. it was a kind of poll where people had to phone in or e-mail and if you had to take the initiative to register your vote at and the marxists were more motivated and rather better organized by the supporters of aristotle, harps or david hume. [laughter] to make communism has partly followed even in china with its population of 1.3 billion which is now a workshop of the world. it has fallen more completely in eastern europe and in the former soviet union. so the question is why and why 1989 there much journalistic coverage between now and the end of the year will understandably focus on the events that made for the most dramatic pictures. mass demonstrations in central european cities and above all, east and west germans dancing on the wall on ninth and 10th of november. yet i will argue that the most important

their seats on the security council. 1971 the un and other political powers decided to recognize beijing instead of tie one as the capital of china and then they lost their seats on the security council that led the government to conclude that the americans will be abandoning us, we better have nuclear weapons to do with a huge chinese model with on the of me man so taiwan embarked on a serious nuclear weapons program and they had very good scientific staff and a lot of money. and then have 250 pounds of plutonium but at the end of the cold war is the active u.s. involvement they leaned on the tide one-- to convince them it is not a good idea. it does not do any good that is why all of these relationships that is what convince them to quit. we bought the plutonium is now in the u.s. energy stocks and it sees being the embryonic nuclear power. the other place is south africa they've had nuclear weapons and the south african nuclear program started interestingly enough in this plan because e and 1974, the portuguese dictatorships the wartime dictator ships were thrown out in a peaceful rev

putting parenthetically the one in beijing is. that is a big city but in this in town and in fact, did an area where a lot of other embassies. the new-line. i am intimately familiar. >> bed is good news to me because i told they were building at 35 for 40 minutes. >> it was not being built wait out it is just that beijing is a big city and built in a different part of town. it is further from the ambassador's residence but in terms of where it is coming in a very active continental hotel right across the street from it and several other embassies. it is also true, i think, that while we do have embassies that are distant as a byproduct of building these two of the seas, the town's and cities grew up. i was putting together the embassy together at the time. we got a lot of criticism having to put together a site to that was half an hour away from a downtown location were the old very difficult to defend embassy was. it was in a bunch of tomato fields owned by local farmers and 13 acres per car went back to that site last year were

her acclaimed speech in beijing in 1995, where she declared that human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights, not only helped inspire and galvanize women throughout the global community, it is now considered a milestone event in the history of the struggle for universal human rights. the last time the secretary was here with us was in 2004, when then senator clinton joined senator jack reed and other distinguished guests for a conference on national security in the military reserve. hillary rodham clinton now serves as 67 united states secretary of state. predecessors include thomas jefferson, james madison, james monroe, daniel webster, george marshall, and of course, madeleine albright. when she was secretary of state, madeleine worked together with secretary clinton to launch the federal government's model voices democracy initiative, and today vital voices is a nonprofit organization that works to train and organize women leaders from around the world. before being appointed to work current position by president obama, secretary clinton served as a united

he will travel to beijing december 8 and the 9. he will then travel to indonesia on december 10th and 11th, for consults with senior indonesian officials on expanding cooperation on areas of mutual interest as discussed during president obama's recent meeting the indonesia president. he will also lead the u.s. observer democracy forum, which is an important indonesian led initiative to promote reform throughout the region. and that's all that i have. i have your questions on this friday afternoon. >> about how long were the meetings that the secretary have? sounds like they couldn't have been very long. >> given the constraint of time, i think they all were fairly brief. somewhere around 10 to 15 minutes. >> what were the 25 countries that pledged troops? >> i don't have that list in front of me right now. >> can you give us an idea? >> yeah, no, i don't have that list. we'll have to get that from nato. >> do you know if the list exists? >> no, i don't know if that list exists. i need to get it from nato. >> on the same subject, ca

drink from polluted rivers in china and die in broken villages invisible from the gleaming towers of beijing asia and africa animals and plants are ripped from the rests, species disappearing at 1,000 times the natural rate of extinction. what should be done? what can be done? that's where the real debate is now. we set out to report, not be advocates. no agenda. you've seen the front lines, the facts on the ground. overpopulation, deforestation, species lost, climate change. nothing happens in a vacuum. what happens in one place now what happens in one place now affects us all. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

that in fact we are seeing confidence being built and i would start with the recent summit in beijing a point of agreement rather than disagreement. was one of the points of agreement highlighted by the leaders many of the concrete outcomes of the summit were energy and chri nat -- climate related the joint statement from the two leaders contain some very important language on the issue. both countries resolved to take strong mitigation actions and the two sides said that they resolved to stand behind these commitments. important words i think coming from the leaders of the world's two largest greenhouse gas emiters. together they launched a series of joint initiatives on clean energy, electric vehicles efficiency, coal, other areas of clean energy and i think we can look to those to be producing some concrete results over time that in fact will better enable both countries tackle these issues but parnl i -- importantly i think they do provide opportunities to continue to build and strengthen confidence. in areas such as technology sharing probably more practically approached than the

it is part of a series of reading and in beijing over the last number of years people who served over there and who are serving. that is my sales pitch for everything i hear in the news on c-span everybody's experiences and thoughts and courage is the filter for which i give. >> host: thanks for the call this morning as we ask for the best nonfiction book of 2009 and often on booktv on c-span2 we will bring a look at the list of the best sellers from "the new york times" and other publications and bookstores as well. a look here at the top books of the list this year, the number of weeks on the list of "the new york times" best-seller top five of others by malcolm goebel, a bold fresh piece of humanity by bill reilly, liberty and tyranny by marc levin, are you their vodka by its mead chelsea by chelsea speed and vicky myrick. here is john on the independent line. go ahead. >> yes, mary christmas. my favorite of the year is god who hates by the subtitle courageous woman who enflamed the muslim world speaks out against her experience and the evils of islam. pascrell here is jones fell v

tract of florida or san francisco area or indeed, holland or new york or bangladesh or shanghai or beijing. we have to be realistic about saying what is going to happen, 1 foot is definitely a problem but we need to put it in context. let's take a look. over the last 150 years sea level rose about 1 foot. yet did we worry? did we notice? asking a very old person has lived through the 20 century, and ask her what happened during the 20 century. she's likely to talk about the two world wars, the emancipation of women, maybe the i.t. revolution. but it's very, very unlikely she will say the sea levels rose. because we fixed them. it's important point to say it's not a say that we wouldn't rather not have sea level rise that it is going to be constant. but it's something we fix. that's of course an important point to say it's not the end of civilization. over the last 150 years that we saw sea level rise buy one for. it will rise faster because of global warming because it will take one century to rise about 1 foot. but still, it's a manageable problem. we need to get a sense. the second part

the obama administration cooperation with beijing means that we have little reason to use such a repetitionand, rests on the idea that whoever gets to lead the world must do so on the basis of ideas and attitudes that are shared by the maturity of the world population. that was how they put it. those earlier american presidents, who were all seen as world leaders, also outside the united states. franklin d. roosevelt, john f. kennedy and ronald reagan. america's ideals and the world's ideas. they lived in reagan's world's, not only in the heart and minds of our countrymen, but in the hearts and minds of millions of the world's people, in both free and oppressed who look to us for leadership. obama's ideals for a large extent with the ideals that underpin the activities of the nobel committee throughout 108 year history. to strengthen international institutions as much as possible. to reduce the importance of arms and open a the nuclear armaments altogether. to promote dialogue and negotiation, and in the last few years, take protective measures to meet the climate threat. looking at the his

guest: i cannot make up our mind if it is a provincial capital of the empire of beijing or of goldman sachs. the answer is probably both. host: with a call from houston, texas, on the democrats' line. caller: how many people do you talk to in a month? host: are you talking to me? what is the point of your question? caller: mr. oricmorici as an animated personality like keys on a game show. the things we're talking about our series. i agree with the previous caller. it is a tool used to keep the american people divided and conquered. you throw out those republican terms that americans will not do any jobs, but they are not being given. guest: what is the question? host: she was commenting on your performance on the program. i will give you a serious economics question that came from email. talk about the relevant fiscal policy multipliers and why they are so difficult to estimate in a time of such high unemployment. which estimates of the tax and government spending multipliers do you trust? guest: the multiplier is somewhere between 1.8 and two. if you spend a dollar, he should get an

last year where they did not shut down hundreds of factories in about a 50 mile wraid radius around beijing to clear the air so that you could actually see some of the buildings, and they, you know, they put this measure, losing millions if not a billion dollars in commerce during that month or two preceding the olympics. duh, america? duh? thank you. host: thanks for your calls today. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 eastern time. we'll go now to the house of representatives. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2009] . [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker: the house will be in order. the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father coughlin. chaplain coughlin: lord, our god, throughout the ages of holy scripture, your promise that you have

as i said in beijing, human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. easily translated into action and changes. that i deal is far from realized in many places around the world. there is no place that so epitomizes the very difficult tragic circumstances confronting women than in eastern congo. i was in goma, the epicenter of on the most violent and canada regions on earth. when i was there, i met with victims of horrific a gender and sexual violence. i met with refugees driven from their homes. i heard from those working to end the conflict and to protect the victims in such dire circumstances. i saw the best and worst of community in a single day. the unspeakable acts of violence that have left women physically and emotionally paralyzed and the heroism of the men and women themselves, the doctors, nurses working to repair bodice and spirits. there on the front line of the struggle. çóon a -- repair bodies and spirits. there is the internal fortitude that keeps them going which is humbling and it inspires me every day to keep working. those four aspec

beijing in the program we will talk to general gary e.ut the wounded warrior program for disabled veterans. >> next on c-span, and a house hearing examines a treasury department program to encourage mortgage modification for homeowners facing foreclosure. the former ambassador to the end -- you in. washington journal is live at an earlier time for cover for the senate helped -- senate health care boat. >> c-span, christmas day, a look ahead to 2010 politics. buzz aldrin and the legacy and of apollo 11. later, a former cia intelligence officer on the u.s. strategy against al qaeda in afghanistan. starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern, remembering the lives of william f. buckley jr.. -- and kennedy. but now a hearing on the efforts to cut the rate of form -- of foreclosures. we will hear about the modification program. steve cohen chairs the subcommittee. this is about two hours. >> thank you for your attendance. this hearing will now come to burgle -- order. and i will recognize myself for a short statement. today's hearing is part dostwo f the mo

conference on women in beijing. she has also served as a member of the u.s.ission on international religious freedom. she is the chairperson of a charity that focused on children's needs in pal stein and shsshe has a day job as the ob/gyn as a professor at the u.c. school of medicine. our fourth panelist, aslam abdullah, who has not joined us, and hopefully he will very shortly. i will introduce him if he makes it to our session. i am going to jump right in and we will go for about 45 minutes with the panel and then we will save the last 15 minutes for questions. and we will end on time at 6:15. i'm going to start off basically, the spaniel labels improving u.s. and muslim relations. i said does that question even make sense? public opinion or to the elites in the country, not necessarily in the government but who dominate the societies? i like to take that as my first question for the panelists. let's have you all weigh in on that, if you could. please go ahead. jonathan? >> i want to be sure i'm moderating the volume properly. we can start with an anecdote

conference on women in beijing. she also served as a member of the u.s. commission on international religious freedom. she is the chairperson of candor usa which focuses on children's needs -- of ca kinder usa which focuses on children's needs. she is also. gb why and -- she is also an ob/gyn. later, aslam abdullah will join us. i am going to start off, basically -- the panelists labeled improving u.s.-muslim relations. i looked at that question and said, doesn't even make sense? we can speak of improving u.s.- turkish relations, u.s.-iranian relations, but can we talk about u.s.-muslim relations? who in the muslim world away tried to lead to? are we turn to lead to the government or the massive public opinion? -- are we trying to relate to the garment or the mass of public opinion? >> a few years ago, i was working as a low ranking marine. one of the senior marines had proposed something about a terrorist incident. i said, extremist muslims -- i understand in the discussion we had earlier about how do you label al qaeda and their ilk. i said extremist mu

rich nations step up pressure on beijing.ountries like the united states are pressing china's delegation to submit to independent monitoring and formal targets. the other headline this morning in "the washington post." coordination stalled talks on global warming. they said the walkout may not delay deal. negotiators hope to have an agreement by this friday. bakersfield, calif., -- california. caller: i'm a green, i hate to admit it but i think the most impressive is barney frank. i do not like the man personally but i think he has really got the answers we need to listen to. host: what are the things he is saying? caller: he really understands the shell game that was played with the bundling of securities. he really understands we need regulation. free enterprise without regulation is really just piracy. host: ron on the democratic line from pennsylvania. caller: in my view, a tie between al gore and robert kennedy, jr.. primarily because of a lot of the predictions they have been making in the last few years have come true,

it doesn't close a fast company food stand here to open up one in beijing.the point is you have a worldwide global economy that you have to function in. we have to remain cost effective in that economy and in order to do that we do some job as broad and some here. the jobs we want to do here, the higher paying jobs. management jobs. research and development and in many cases those jobs are coming back to the united states. while you can name a few companies that have shift they're call center as broad. many of those are being shipped back because they found it wasn't the most efficient way to do it. host: with reference of the jobs going to canada the chamber has been quite publically in the discussions with the white house for debating healthcare. do you see healthcare reform as a way to stimulate job growth? guest: think i think what all small businesses want, i don't do the health chamber but i do tax chamber. it's an issue they raise again and again and again. rising cost of healthcare. everybody in the business wants to see a healthcare plan that will w

delegation to the un conference on women in beijing. she has also served as a member of the u.s.urth panelist has not joined us, and hopefully he will very shortly. i will introduce him if he makes it to our session. i am going to jump right in and we will go for about 45 minutes with the panel and then we will save the last 15 minutes for questions. and we will end on time at 6:15. the panel is labeled "improving u.s. and muslim relations." i wondered if that question even made sense. can we speak of u.s.-muslim world relations? does that make sense spirit who in the muslim world a week trying to relate to, a government or to the mass of public opinion or to the elites in the country, not necessarily in the government but who dominate the societies? i like to take that as my first question for the panelists. let's have you will weigh in on that it could. please go ahead whoever would like. jonathan. >> moderating the volume properly. we can start with an anecdote a few years ago. i was working as a low ranking release -- marine, and one of the senior marines had propose somethin

delegation on women in congress in beijing.nternational religious freedom. she is the chair person of kinder u.s.a., which is a charity that focuses on children's needs in pipeline did not palestine. she has a day job as an o.b./ g.y.n. our fourth panelist has not joined us. i will introduce him if he makes it to our session. i am going to jump in, and we are going to go for about 45 minutes here with the panelists, and then we will save the last 15 minutes for question and end on time at 6:15. the panel is labeled imimproving u.s.-muslim world regularses. when i was asked to moderate this panel, i said well, does that question even make sense? we can improving u.s. turkish relations, u.s.-iranian relations. does that make sense? are we trying to relate to the government? are we trying to relate to the mass of public opinion or elites in those countries, not necessarily in the government but who dominate those societies. he would like to take that as my first question that i throw open to the panelists, and let's have you all w

guest: i cannot make up our mind if it is a provincial capital of the empire of beijing or of goldmansachs. the answer is probably both. host: with a call from houston, texas, on the democrats' line. caller: how many people do you talk to in a month? host: are you talking to me? what is the point of your question? caller: mr. oricmorici as an animated personality like keys on a game show. the things we're talking about our series. i agree with the previous caller. it is a tool used to keep the american people divided and conquered. you throw out those republican terms that americans will not do any jobs, but they are not being given. guest: what is the question? host: she was commenting on your performance on the program. i will give you a serious economics question that came from email. talk about the relevant fiscal policy multipliers and why they are so difficult to estimate in a time of such high unemployment. which estimates of the tax and government spending multipliers do you trust? guest: the multiplier is somewhere between 1.8 and two. if you spend a dollar, he should get an

let me just as we finish let me stress again in my swing from the region from seoul to beijing to tokyoto moscow i found very strong agreement that the unity of the five is very important in trying to deal with north korea. and i found there is strong support for continuing to enforce the sanctions and there was also a strong view that it had been useful for the united states to take on this direct contact with the north koreans in the context of the six party framework. so i think it's been useful and move things forward. i would like to be able to be more precise about a timetable for the future but at this point i am not able to be. so anyway, thank you. >> we will take a few minute breaks. [inaudible conversations]

we know shanghai, beijing, maybe a few other key cities in china but the other cities that have moreor 5 million my view there will be few people in this room if any that can name them not to mention the cities behind them in brazil, south africa or india. will they develop in a leapfrog manner that is to the greenest potential or will they repeat a lot of the failed policies of the past, approaches of the past? if so they would make the other challenges we face even more difficult. perhaps impossible to master. to get together on would argue these are going to be the challenge is judged on as an age of prosperity comes upon us with china, india, the brits economies, rising up in one generation something bigger than anything we've seen in economic terms since the arrival of columbus and europeans and though the world. this is an extraordinary event in poverty alleviation and trade and opportunity for all of us but if it becomes a force in factor making all these other sustainable challenges all the more difficult to tackle. it might require new approaches, new solutions. to help us t

the obama administration's cooperation in beijing means that we have little reason to fear such a repetition'sobama's ideal should be -- such repetition. that is how they put it. those earlier american presidents were seen as world leaders outside the united states. fjohn f. kennedy and ronald reagan, america's ideals of the world's ideals. they live, in reagan's words, not only in the hearts and minds of our countrymen, but in the hearts and minds of millions of the world's people and involves a free in and -- oppressed society. obama's ideals coincide with the ideals that have underpinned those ideals of the bubble committed. to strengthen international institutions as much as possible. to reduce the importance of arms. to promote dialogue and negotiations and to adopt effective measures to meet the climate threat. looking at the history of the nobel peace prize, we can see several examples of awards to persons or institutions that have achieved fundamental agreements that have stood the test of history. we will find as least as many awards that have tried to bring about fundamental changes

her acclaimed speech in beijing in 1995, where she declared that human rights are women's rights, andare human rights, not only helped inspire and galvanize women throughout the global community, it is now considered a milestone event in the history of the struggle for universal human rights. the last time the secretary was here with us was in 2004, when then senator clinton joined senator jack reed and other distinguished guests for a conference on national security in the military reserve. hillary rodham clinton now serves as 67 united states secretary of state. predecessors include thomas jefferson, james madison, james monroe, daniel webster, george marshall, and of course, madeleine albright. when she was secretary of state, madeleine worked together with secretary clinton to launch the federal government's model voices democracy initiative, and today vital voices is a nonprofit organization that works to train and organize women leaders from around the world. before being appointed to work current position by president obama, secretary clinton served as a united states senator f