but we see him go fromming beina runaway, homeless runaway, to becoming a beggar, to becoming a thief and then an armed thief and worse. he becomes our window into how that happens for so many young south africans. >> and i'm curious, i mean, how were you able to win his trust the way you were? because he talks about things that could conceivably get him into great trouble. >> yeah. i think i had, you know, i had -- i know you've had this experience, too, where you go and see somebody, and you wonder how much of what they told you is true and whether you'll ever see them again. so with each of the main six young people who stitched the narrative together for me, um, i probably had ten who i was thinking about playing a certain role. and jonathan from the beginning, since i'd gotten to know street kids in johannesburg and durbin and capetown was one of those kids whose story kept haunting me because of where he had come from and the way in which he talked about the choices ahead for him. and it really probably was the fourth or fifth time i went and just hung out with him, which is alw