here are the two presidents that are beingng featured today, andw johnson -- whom we mentioned before -- his pious category, number 37 in economic management. his low category, not surprising, impeached president, relations with congress. and as i mentioned, 275 out of 1,000. james garfield -- and this is so interesting because he was in office for six and a half months -- yeah, rates high by comparison. his highest category is pursued equal justice for all. he was in 20th place among the presidents, so right in the middle. and lowest category in international recommendations which he came into office with virtually noing experience in. his score, 481 out of 1,000, fully double what andrew johnson got, and he was, again, only in office for six and a half months. so lots and lots to talk about about why these ratings have happened. so with that, thank you for learning more about our book, "the presidents," and i'm going to turn it over to our wonderful panel. [applause] >> thank youou so much, susan. great presentation. my role here is just to get the conversation rolling and we want t