and you cannot talk to harry belafonte for, like, two and a half minutes without belafonte raising then. so aside from the history books and all all the stuff i've read or seen about paul robeson i feel like for at least 25 years sitting at poitier and belafonte's feet, i've come to here firsthand and know so much about this man paul robeson courtesy of poitier and belafonte. >> host: you mentioned earlier, mr. smiley, that you attend a black church. >> guest: uh-huh. >> host: what does that mean, a black church, and do you care to tell which one? >> guest: yeah. i grew up in a little church in indiana called new bethel tabernacle a little small church. and i loved growing up in a little, small church. couple hundred people, on a good sunday. but i loved growing up in a small church that was very familial. in l.a. for most of my life in l.a. have gone to a much larger church, the city of refuge. my former minister passed away, and when the new minister came in we moved to a new facility kind of changed the name to city of refuge, but that's where i spent most of my youth. i've only bee

when we talk to our dear rather harry belafonte, one of the great freedom fighter still alive who meets martin very young. you see that wonderful picture of them in the basement the first time they meet rich dialogue, harlem at the center, but belafonte brings the legacy of the boys and martin king bring the legacy of benjamin mays on the one hand but also intellectually curious young negro genius or atlanta. of course, offer dana, his brother. it's a family affair. it's a family affair. there's no martin without his family. just like there's no martin without the movement. family helps making and that's very important. i think especially for young people and they think especially of the ferguson generation who i love so deeply, i think they are courageous. >> host: philip agnew. >> guest: philip agnew is a giant in so many ways, but also brother tory and william -- the great kinglike figure of our time. all of these folk who gain deep inspiration as well as analytical elimination for martin king. with the recognize as part of a tradition and isolating individuals on a pedestal, no that

when we talk to our dear brother harry belafonte who meets martin very young. we see that wonderful picture of him the first time they meet rich dialogue harlem epicenter but a'lafonte to bringing the legacy of dubois and paul ropes and barton king rating the legacy of benjamin mays on the one hand and the curious genius born in atlanta king. of course offered daniel, that's his brother. it's a family affair. it's a family affair. there's no martin without his family just like there is no martin without his movement he the family helps make them and that's very important. especially for young people especially in the ferguson generation who i love so deeply i think they are courageous. philip agnew is a giant. but also brother tory and william barber who is older generation by the great figure of our time. all of these folks who give inspiration as well as analytical illumination from martin king. what they recognize as part of the tradition isolating individuals on a pedestal that they recognize just like you and i we are who we are because somebody loved us.

the fact that people like colin powell and eric holder have backgrounds from the caribbean, harry belafonte stokely carmichael marcus garvey. and at the other end rihanna, nicki minaj from the caribbean. would you care -- >> host: neville, where are you from? >> caller: i'm from guyana in south america. >> host: thank you sir. >> guest: i think you just commented, and i couldn't agree were more. that's what's so beautiful about this country and this is worth remembering as we have this debate this pseudo-debate in the next few weeks and months and now with the republicans controlling both houses of congress, where is this immigration debate going to go? obviously, conservatives and others in this town think the president, you know, has rubbed their nose in this immigration debate and has really, you know gone beyond the pale when he used his executive privilege to do what he did on the issue of immigration reform. they didn't like that, as we all know, and you've seen that covered here on c-span. but it's worth remembering that this country is a country built on immigrants. and it's also wo