clear that there were some fault lines emerging within that interim council that was still in ben benghaziw, of course, that council is or will be completely in tripoli and a lot of those fault lines that started to emerge are still there and now, of course, the rubber hits the road. it's time for the tnc to come to terms with all of the problems that libya now faces, con sill asian, economic development, this is a country that 42 years systematically south any kind of opposition group, any kind of civil society and to the gadhafi regime. in a sense, what the tnc, the transitional council is up again, is really creating for the first time a modern state in libya and, in addition to that and force more libyans. >> libya is a very, very tribal country. does that make it more difficult to foresee any kind of conventional democratic developing? is it harder when you have so many different t >> i think the divisions that we're seeing in libya and the fault lines that i mentioned just a minute ago do make it difficult, i think, to really go very quickly and any kind of democratic the way that yo