so i beg to ben bradlee, the bureau chief, not to use the story, saying it was out of character. was, maybe it wasn't. but he was not having it, so they wrote the story, saying, "i am the greatest pork chop a takeoff on mohammed ali -- "i am the greatest," a takeoff on muhammad ali. we were referred to as the odd couple. he was an upper-class wasp. he grew up with the governors, he went to boarding school, and he was in the georgetown social circuit, and i came from a jewish immigrant family. i did not ever travel in his social circles. so socially, we came from quite different worlds. >> you cite some oral history that you saw for the first time in 2004-2006, when you were writing the book, of things you did not know about evans when you were working together. part of it was the relationship he had with the kennedys. >> it was his relationship with bobby kennedy. the meetings he had that i did not know about, things kennedy had told him. by never told me about it. he told me the oral history when he was interviewed about it in the 1970's. >> what was your reaction? >> i was surp