i ran upstairs and i called ben bradley in his office and i said the guard has somebody with a subpoena for our notes down there and bradley said don't let them upstairs. i'm going to go talk to katherine and he ran upstairs to katherine graham's office and then he came back to my desk and he said they're not your notes. katherine says they're her notes and that if anybody is going to go to jail it's going to be katherine graham. it gives you a notion of what was at stake. bob: and ben was ecstatic. carl: he was. bob: he said, just think of that katherine graham, her limb seen pulls up to the d.c. women's detention center. and out pops our gal, as he called her, going to jail to defend the first amendment and ben got a little excited and said, you know, that picture will run on every -- on the front page of every newspaper in the country, no, the world. it will be, and the end of that story is they backed down. they folded when they saw that she was going to stand up. carl: she did it for the business and was willing to go through whatever was required. mark: i want to call attention to

highly motivated people people who work the big athletes like you know famous journalists like ben bradleyashington post and so that was a very striving striking nature there also traits you know less admirable maybe, fear of failure, brutal about criticism and all things that i think you see senator mcconnell throughout his life for paramount among them is just this incredible drive to the driving nature and why does he choose than politics, to dedicate hisne energy. >> like many young kids, first thing he wanted to do was be a baseball player and it was terrible at it buys on a admission but there waso a man who lived it was really great athlete and coach told him how to play practice and practice and practice is aor recurring theme any get better at it but eventually work by high school, was not good have high school team and so he channeled that competitiveness that one has horse politics and it never left him. it was our viewers senator mcconnell city conversation 2016, good friend of his is calling mark alexander the sense down the conversation here in cspan about his book he talked