and as far as me being innately decent, well, ben brantly is wrong about that. well, "the wall street journal" mr. lith grow-- lithgow was play-- but there is what oscar said, on this program talking about this, why not times does this tragedy seem to hit a res national cord. could it be gaus there is some underlying anxiety that is characteristic of our moment, perhaps the sense that the entire system that holds our moral universe in place is subject to the arbitrary decisions of old fallible men and the possibility of genuine chaos, real cannibalizing barberism is closer on the surface than we can possibly imagine. that's really diving deep into. >> yeah. that's oscar. he is a man of big ideas. i do think the play is about disorder brought on by human error. >> exactly. >> and the restoration. >> are we looking at that right now in the world? >> i don't know. it's not my job. to speculate on this. but i think, you know, i certainly feel that we are in a period where the center is not holding. you can't help feeling that. >> rose: i think the only exception i t

. >> how do you come down in terms of choice, ben brantly said it is a portrait of roads taken or notave been if only she had done this instead of that. >> mm-hmm. that is not all he said. >> yeah. i know. but it was -- he gave you high praise. >> he did. >> okay. >> what are we talking about with him? i have a chip on my shoulder. >> choices people make. did you come away, do you have because of having fought through this broadway production, with an opinion about all this, do you think that you can, it is not a choice of having a life that beth has versus a life. >> right. >> that liz has. >> what i come away with -- >> you make those kinds of sacrifices if i want a family i can't have a professional life if i want a professional life i can't have a family. >> right i think it is about trying to stay in the moment, to recision sured and trust in these -- rest assured and trust in these ideas as long as uroleneing something through whatever experience you are in at the moment, that will open a door and prepare you for the next opportunity. whether it gos in this direction or that dir

sitting there eating and not only did catherine graham issue the no glo gloating rule but so did brantly. and ben went to the elevator because we were going to go down to get something to eat and the elevator opens and there's sargent shriver who has somehow broken into "the post" security system. and shriver, who is head of the peace corps and the kennedy era, married to one of the kennedys. very much a kennedy person. he sees ben and goes, yea! blue the cover. ben is trying to cover and shriver wouldn't stop and said, oh, i had to be here this night with you. and i think if -- the moment was one of what's happening here. what does it mean, and that was 40 years ago. and to a certain extent, carl and i have spent those 40 years. elizabeth, too, you know, what was watergate. what does it mean. what is its ultimate impact. and what's so fascinating is there are always more and more tapes that come out. aren't there 800 hours of tapes that the nixon library is going to release in a month or so? >> there's about 800 that they have no plans to release. >> somebody told me they're going to be availabl

sitting there eating and not only did catherine graham issue the no glo gloating rule but so did brantly. and ben and i went to the elevator because we were going to go down to get something to eat and the elevator opens and there's sargent shriver who has somehow broken into "the post" security system. and shriver, who is head of the peace corps and the kennedy era, married to one of the kennedys. very much a kennedy person. he sees ben and goes, yea! blue the cover. ben is trying to cover and shriver wouldn't stop and said, oh, i had to be here this night with you. and i think if -- the moment was one of what's happening here. what does it mean, and that was 40 years ago. and to a certain extent, carl and i have spent those 40 years. elizabeth, too, you know, what was watergate. what does it mean. what is its ultimate impact. and what's so fascinating is there are always more and more tapes that come out. aren't there 800 hours of tapes that the nixon library is going to release in a month or so? >> there's about 800 that they have no plans to release. >> somebody told me they're going to be av