because as dallas sav are club director ben carter further said, people are talking about why don't you do a photo safari or whatever. that's great but people don't pay for that. he's right. no one will pay for a photo. that's not a trophy. how are you going to hang a photo on your wall. but think about it, if we really want to raise some cash, you know what people do pay for? they pay for sex. to save this endangered animal, the dallas safari club should auction off a night we a rhino. now i'm not saying-- folks, i'm not saying that someone should go [bleep] a black rhino. that's sick. i'm saying they should make love to it. (laughter) now in the morning, in the morning-- that might be-- that idea is very popular with the people. in 9 morning, in the morning you just leave 750,000 dollars on the dresser. if you don't call the fix day she'll understand. nation, this dallas rhino club idea can raise money for all sorts of important causes. i mean who amongst us hasn't seen a homeless manning begging on the streets and felt deep sadness that you could not hunt him for sport. i mean new yo

. >> reporter: senator ben carter from maryland. thank you for joining us. he is not the only lawmaker who has a lot to say about the events that have been unfolding here today on capitol hill. today we were inside and we had a chance to catch up with other lawmakers. >> this is going to have devastating impacted. >> reporter: jim moran and jerry connelly each have about 60,000 federal employees this their respective districts throughout virginia. and now there are stern responses to them to the people they serve and to the republican counterparts they claim are recklessly sending this country into a shutdown. >> you have folks that don't know the consequences of their actions. they will find out. and eye robbicly -- ironically, the american people are going to find out the way in which their government, their federal government supports them every single day because when it is not there, they will feel it. >> we're going to fight very hard to keep the government open. we're introducing should the shutdown occur we'll introduce a bill at 12:01 tonight, jim m

. >> senator ben carter, and former senator who was in office during the last shutdown, and what we're hearing, senator greg, we're hearing that republicans think well, we're in this now and we have until the debt ceiling to extract confessions. can they use the debt ceiling to no matter what on october 17th? >> well, i don't think you can use the debt ceiling, but it is a point of negotiation. clearly you can't default on the debt, that would be traumatic for the country, the economy would be affected by it. >> so if this is true, i have heard this response from other folks who say you can't default on it but it is a point of negotiation. but i don't understand, those two things don't follow -- >> well, they do follow, chris, if you follow the history of the elective government which we function under. the debt ceiling for years has been used as a point of negotiation. in fact, the president voted against it, and spoke rather aggressively for voting against a debt ceiling increase. this is not an unusual situation. >> in 2007 if nancy pelosi and half the democrats refused to vote for

ben bernanke. it's fascinating, paul, this is the first democratic nominee to be the head of the fed dating back to the late 1970s when jimmy carter selected paul vo volcker, and volcker slammed the brakes on the money supply, and the reason i mention that, i don't think janet yellen believes in that philosophy. when mary was talking about this philosophy of a tradeoff between inflation and unemployment, mary's right that janet yellen believes in that, but paul, i totally reject that. i look at the evidence over the last 30, 40 years and it looks to me low inflation helps grow the economy and create jobs. i think it's a false tradeoff. >> there is this philosophical difference, for greenspan and volker focused on price stability as the main goal, janet yellen really, as mary suggested, focuses on job creation and output jobs. that's her focus. that's a throwback really to the philosophy of the '60s and the '70s. >> the philosophy espoused by james tobin of yale, and she is a student of james tobin, and back in 1993, tobin said this about spending, spending money is spending money is spending money, no matter what on. that is just