joining me now, host of the ben ferguson show through the icon network.m clifton consulting, okay, he, a couple years ago, wanted to make sure that government at all levels, including the top levels had diversity and now, you know, it's not that there are no women now. we still have kathleen sebelius at health and human services and janet napolitano department of homeland security, but the women are getting few and far between, margery, in the second term obama cabinet. >> the talent we're seeing the same in corporate america, and 5% of ceo's women. and he had last term historically most women and minorities, with 22 cabinet seats, 8 women and 9 minorities. now we've heard that hilda solis the first latino woman in a cabinet is stepping down and so, again, this is creating a challenge of who are the women. now, there's two issues people talk about, it's the pipeline, but there are a lot of fabulous women, michelle portnoy, who democrats were looking at undersecretary of defense, hoping she might move to the pentagon and overlooked for that position and su