to weigh in host of the ben ferguson show ben ferguson. cnn commentator, mark lamont hill.of why the guns become relevant. ben, do you see this as a hate crime? >> i do. i see it as domestic terrorism and a tragedy by a sick individual that had no problem sitting with people praying with people then killing them. this is one of the most heinous crimes we have ever had to talk about. >> sick. not necessarily mentally ill. you can take drugs and not be mentally ill and you can be hateful and not ill. mark that's the backdrop. the question is why did it happen? he's a white supremacist, a diluted, hateful individual and he had the opportunity. make the case for why the gun is relevant enough to deal with on a policy level. >> well, when ever you have a national tragedy, it's important to respond at the policy level as well. you don't play politics now. now is the time to deal with policy. in a way to prevent it from happening again. president obama saying this is a great time to have a conversation about guns and waving the white flag saying nothing is going to happen congress

let's talk about this with host of "the ben ferguson show," ben ferguson and director at the universityginia center for politics, larry sabato. >> good morning. >> ben, i have to say, jeb bush was charming on jimmy fallon, he became mr. personality. how much does this help? >> yeah. it helps tremendously especially for a campaign needing a second shot in the arm to get him back up in the poll numbers after he's dropped. part of that drop is because so many new people have officially announced. this is him becoming jeb instead of jeb bush. we saw with his campaign they want you to understand that he's not george bush 41 or 43. he's his own guy and they want you to get to know him. putting him on a late-night show and having this humor -- you couldn't help but like the guy more after watching this and seeing that he could have some fun with jimmy fallon. i think it's a very smart political move and i think it's going to help him in the polls. >> and sadly, larry, i agree with ben. but this is the way the world is now in the world of politics. you just go on the jimmy fallon show and you i

ben ferguson is a conservative radio talk show host. e to both of you. >> thank you. >> morning. >> you know when these things happen, ben, we talk maybe we should review our gun laws something should be done then we move on and nothing happens. everybody argues whether it's the right time to do it or not and blah blah blah. >> this is where it's ease stoi push the narrative gun control laws would stop this. the reality is the gun control laws many wanted to push and the democrats, including the president would not have outlawed the gun he use zed. you have a sick deranged human being. there isn't a law that you could have passed to stop this from happening. he broke gun laws with the crime he committed. there's countless laws that he broke that were outside of gun laws yet, this still happened. >> supposedly the gun was a gift from his family. >> again, we don't know if this was bought from his dad, if the money was given to him to buy one. he's 21 years old. can you buy a gun? yes. >> he bought the gun himself. he's 21 years old. >> he

thank you joe johns and now ben ferguson a republican commentator and radio host of the ben ferguson show and former senior advisor to president obama. you come on polar opposite sides of the spear but agree a bit. how big of a problem is trump for the gop field? >> the biggest problem period out there right now because this is a side show people are unfortunately going to have to take seriously and they better all these campaigns better get together and do everything they can to push him out of this as quickly as possible because the longer he stays around the more of a threat it is to the actual policies the actual positions of the real candidates. it's also going to take somebody off stage with the top ten and that could ruin someone's chance to make a difference. donald trump is not going to get elected. >> just to interrupt, this point about there is too many people running to fit in the debates, right, he right now is in the top ten on the krus pcusp. you could see rubio, trump, jeb bush in a row on stage at the first debate. >> yeah it would be an embarrassment and a disaster

. >> cnn political commentators ben ferguson and mark lamonte are here now. mark let me begin with you. the president insisting this week i'm not resigned to no gun control bill passing congress but let's talk about how much political capitol you believe he and members of congress have put behind it. has it been enough? >> it hasn't been enough. the president had not only political capitol, but moral authority and political urgency after sandy hook and nothing happened. nothing happened nothing happened because the american people and the gun lobby didn't allow for it to happen. when he was in office he had the tount to make this happen. you had democrats and republicans, but especially democrats who wouldn't go along. at multiple moments the president wanted this to happen and didn't have the political will or resources to make it happen. even during the period when he had a super majority. this is something the president waved a white flag on and said we can't do anything about it. this is what happens when we don't change public opinion. >> i want you to l

let's talk about it with ben ferguson and marc lamont hill.fines this president? >> well you can never define a president by one week. this was certainly a moment that president obama and his team his administration and his supporters would like to be the defining week and it should be a big part of it. amazing things happened this week. but the legitimacy of obamacare was reaffirmed. many of the powerful moves he made a few years ago on gay marriage have now been expanded to the federal level, with the supreme court decision. affordable housing. we could go down the list of things. free trade. all of these things are part of the presidency. it doesn't mean we ignore drone strikes or ignore corporate welfare, or decrept education systems. we can't ignore everything that happened before this week. however, this is an amazing week and the best part of this week to me the finest moment that president obama has ever had was when he stood in that pulpit and led america and tried to usher america into a new moral vision and to try to reaffirm the tr