that was republican lawyer ben ginsberg warning after the last debate that what the trump campaign and republicans were threatening in terms of this poll watching effort that trump keeps talking about out on the stump, he was saying that is a clear and present danger to the republican party because when they got in trouble for that with the court, they ended up signing a consent degree that prohibits them from doing any poll watching like this whatsoever because of their terrible history with this stuff. the republican national committee is banned from any election day poll watching stuff at all that in any way targets minority districts. they've been banned, legally banned from doing that stuff since the 1980s. and it's really important to them that they follow what they are legally bound to follow here because that consent decree restricts what they're allowed to do and that is finally due to expire next year. the only way it won't expire is if the court finds the republicans are violating it, that they are doing racist poll watching again in defiance of the court in which case that

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>> cannot wait, michael steele and ben ginsberg. tuned in this wednesday live at the university of nevada, las vegas, 9:00 p.m. at eastern and followed by late night coverage with our post debate team. again, it is the third and final one. donald trump says he's the victim and the women accusing him of sexual misconducts are part of the media conspiracy, we'll talk with the trump's adviser why he's lashing out of his victims and another week of those wikileakse. we'll look at those e-mails. can you believe it? 22 days away from the election. early voters are starting in a lot of states all right. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. here i am... building a jet engine. we've been hearing so much about how you're a digital company, so you can see our confusion. ge is an industrial company that actually builds world-changing machines. machines that can also communicate digitally. like robots. did you build that robot? that's not a robot, that's my coworker earl. he builds jet engines with his human hands. what about that rob

ben ginsberg, as always, thank you for helping us to understand this.reat to see you. >> we are learning that al gore is going to be hitting the campaign trail for hillary clinton. we will talk about that with a clinton supporter. and vp nominee mike pence said that he was offended by trump's words and action, and so what happens next? you will watching the site of the second presidential debate coming up tonight. we are live in st. louis. stay with us. is it a professor who never stops being a student? is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own? or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions? your personal success takes a financial partner 80% of recurrent ischemic, strokes could be prevented. who learmore atiaa.orgas you do. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. a be sure to talk to your doctor is one of those steps before you begin an aspirin regimen. >>> the site of the presidential debate where the students cannot wait for th

. >> now i want to turn to ben ginsbe ginsberg.g back to george bush getting re-elected over john kerry. they had trouble accepting the results, we've seen that before from supporters of candidates, we've seen that from both parties. the candidate himself, and before the election coming out and basically saying, this election we're about to have, forget about it, not going to be fair. >> yes, that's true. what's going to happen in the polls isn't going to happen in the polls. you have to have some proof for that, you're in a pre-election phase that we've seen before. what will happen in the polls is what always happens in the polls is a fair election with a few mistakes. >> will trump supporters given the way he's talking right now -- will that make it hard for them to accept what you're saying, though? >>. >> i think ultimately when you see the results, that's what people accept in this country. whether it's 534 votes in florida that got george w. bush the election or a landslide. >> what responsibility in the event that we wake u

thank you all, michael steele, as my friend always here, my new friend ben begin -- ben ginsberg, my old friend. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. egin -- ben , my old friend. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. gin -- ben g my old friend. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. in -- ben gi my old friend. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> election diary wednesday, october 19, 2016. as i said, tonight's big casino, the betting odds are so bad for donald trump that he has to bet big and hope it's i had night. right now you bet a dollar on donald trump this election, you win four. that means he's got one chance in five chances to come out on top on election night. what would you do? would you throw everything you have at his rival secretary clinton or concentrate your attack on one key target, this murky deal with the e-mail dealing with benghazi and the former fbi agent who said he saw a quid pro quo to cover it all up? i'm going to get on the benghazi e-mail. i'll double down, triple down on it because it gets to clin

you cannot be a vigilante, you cannot walk into a polling place -- >> ben ginsberg, thank you for clarifying that. >> i have been following this at the local levels and some of these states where they know they had a lot of advertising and there is been issues that's raised by pence and trump that people need to get out. by which he did not mean by voting. h he's making illusion of people going out and getting involved. i don't know what he means. in some state, one of the worse by local law enforcement, there is a lot of open carries states now. >> that's a big steve smith's. >> in some placing of a polling place or a church or a state building, some place where you got to carve out that it cannot be an opened carry place. they're worry what people are going to do people going out and inspired and loosely directly by the trump campaign with guns and supervise the process of people voting and watching out where it is going wrong. that should be an act of joy and -- it should not be an act of bravery >> people standing by to talk to us and that's presidential historia historian, michael. >> t

i think what ben ginsberg said was absolutely right, there is every reason to have confidence that everybody'sote will be counted. i think this will be a bit of an inflexion point. because one of the reasons that donald trump has been able to gain traction with this, in addition to his willingness to say almost anything, is that we have been hearing about claims of voter fraud for a while and it has been the justification of policies that i think don't make sense. we can have all sorts of disagreements and agreements about the ins and outs of election law, but i think that everybody should agree that in this day and age there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in person, just like ben ginberg said, you are as a statistical matter more likely on hit by lightning in the united states than to commit voter impersonation. >> ben, doesn't the message by donald trump that there is voter fraud run the risk of some people staying home, if they think the election is rigged, such as in ohio, the secretary of state saying hey, this is not going to be rigged. you have the close senate race, rob portm

i'm with ben ginsberg, of course, the lawyer for the republican party, and robert costa, i didn't think he answered the question, the governor, governor pence. did he answer the question? will they make the charge of a rigged election, are they talking about electioneering or elections, which one? >> it should be about the results. i'm not sure i see the distinction. >> politics or the actual election count? are they saying the count's going to be played with, it's going to be phony? >> i think what he was trying is saying they're not going to challenge the actual count or at least he's not going to be part of it. what he's talking about is the electioneering part. >> but brian's -- because robert they have tried to get trump to stop saying the election count itself and to focus on the media, this is i'm also concerned about the voting booths and what happens in the count. the mainstream -- >> he won't and he won't until election day. the mainstream of the republican party doesn't want to have this kind of conversation. there's little to no evidence that this kind of fraud is occurring.

. >> ben ginsberg, thank you. i realize it's a little like, it's a little technical, but the stories behind it and the importance of what's behind it gives this so much heat and energy, we have already heard that they've asked, the judge has asked for this to move really fast. they've asked for the parties to be in court on wednesday morning. >>> let's be real. as our first african-american first lady, she's faced pressures i never did. [cheers and applause] and she's handled them with pure grace. [cheers and applause] seriously, is there anyone more inspiring than michelle obama? [cheers and applause] and maybe, maybe it's especially meaningful to me, because i do know something about being first lady of the united states. >> she has been first lady of arkansas, first lady of the united states, secretary of state. she has -- [ crowd chanting "hillary" ] >> yeah. that's right. hillary doesn't play. >> hillary doesn't play. that was hillary clinton and that's right. hillary doesn't play. >> hillary doesn't play. th

joined by msnbc, political analyst, howard fineman, plus, heidi presbla, and former rnc council, ben ginsberguple things the presidential candidate said, he said the media poisoned the american people, although it really hasn't worked but he suggests in the way he said it, the poison for thelection won't matter, but it won't be an accurate election because of the way it happened and hillary clinton shouldn't even be running so the question is the election legitimate, on the basis of '08, when they said in both of those times, president obama was an illegitimate candidate for president, so there's elections in arrow, he's threatening to delegitimize. it is a pattern, and leads to the suggestion that robert costa will not value the election results. pretty scary stuff. >> it wasn't just what he said that was shocking, it was the way he said it. there was a casual contempt in donald trump's voice for 225 years of american political tradition. donald trump is a force for chaos. he always has been. if he can't taking some and win something himself, he will destroy that thing and make it impossible

. >> ben ginsberg, thank you. i realize it's a little like, it's a little technical, but the stories behind it and the importance of what's behind it gives this so much heat and energy, we have already heard that they've asked, the judge has asked for this to move really fast. they've asked for the parties to be in court on wednesday morning. >> there's a long tradition of being in the federal district court nowhere close to the electio elections. thank you. >>> stay with us. we'll be right back. esurce dauto insurance a arter y. they off cla-free discount and when they save, you save. insure, which saveson. urcean allstate company. fothe dern world. click or call. esurance does auto insurance fotha arter y.ld. likeheir photolaimtool helps settlyour claimurance fotha artquickly, which saves time, whicsaves moy. that auto and homeuranceve. fothe modern world. esurance, an astate company. clk or call. g new cars. yore smart u readknew that.but it's a. u'u'ee whata fair price, d you can connect wi a truecar certified

the commission cochairs for bob bauer who's president obama's former general counsel and ben ginsberg who was governor romney's attorney. you see them quite a bit these days. it was unanimous and bipartisan. they want to modernize the process because it's on paper. but it's really look at how voters are registering, when they are registering, when they keep their information current. when they changed their department of motor vehicles that changes their registration. whether or not that's an imac often are opt-out. states are revisiting and keeping their voter registration rolls accurate. making sure they are permanent registration. in some states they will cancel an overseas voter at the end of every year which we did not believe was appropriate. there's a wide variety of recommendations and things as simple as ballot layout and design can be as important and critical in making sure that a ballot is being recorded as the voter intent. yes, yes, no, no. what am i supposed to do? how many times can i cast the election if it's over three, both virtue. there are usability best practices

. >> attorney and republican strategist ben ginsberg who is going to explain everything that's happeningcan party and where it's going from here because it's in shuch good shape. in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein. and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. you have some explaining to do as well. >> why? >> really? >> yes. yes, you do. we'll get to that. your opinions have changed a bit. about the republican nominee. >> no, not really, but okay. >> uh-huh, just a little bit. we'll get to it. but first, there's some recent polls out of texas that have shown a tight race there. now, a major election forecaster has added that state to its toss-ups category. real clear politics has now reclassified texas and its 38 electoral votes as a toss-up. it comes as the latest cbs/ugov poll gives donald trump a three-point edge in the staid of texas, 46 to hillary clinton's 43% in a four-way race. high are you shaking your head, nick? >> she's never going to win texas. >> o

you had ben ginsberg on before me, he knows, but 29 days to go.eve, what did you think of the debate? >> trump benefitted from the soft bigotry of low expectations. >> i knew you were a bush man. >> i was. and i think he saved himself from complete disaster. i don't think he advanced his cause. >> do you think he mitt gaded disaster? >> from the tape? >> mm-hmm. >> i think he did, just by throwing up a bunch of stuff. >> he put on a reality show. >> you put on a reality show and people get confused as to what the reality is. i thnk me got out alive, and i think he will be in the race. i don't think you'll see him move up in the polls where. >> think what he misses to do, and this has been a weakness we see over and over again, is he really needed to go beyond just trying to solidify a base. he needs to talk to people in the middle, and he seems to be incapable of doing that. >> what about, steve rattner, her nonanswer to the cr transcripts, the goldman sachs. >> what part of the nonanswer? >> the whole part she didn't answer. do you want me to go