that is what ben gur onwanted me to do. i wanted to go and fight. he wouldn't let me. he said look, we have to build, we have nothing. so historically-- . >> rose: that is one of your legacies, you built up the israeli defense. >> that was the need, the priority of the nation. i didn't think in terms of credit or legacy. i don't work for history, i work for people. and you have to do, at a given time, the right thing, the most demanding one and look, they praise everything i did. so what. i'm afraid of praise. you know, when i look at what was the greatest tradition to the jewish people in the world, satis fraction-- satisfaction, a good joke and i will be satisfied. the minute are you satisfied you became lazy. when are you not satisfied you create, you change, you change, you engage. and that is a great thing. so i don't see an end. and i don't think history is a judgement. i think we have to judge history, not history has to judge us. because history is basically-- blindness. we want to open our eyes better to see longer, to see deeper. to see a long distance. -- --