gb news contributor benjamin butterworth and deputy leader of reform uk ben habib, two. now . ben habib, how can we views now. ben habib, how can we actually avoid this from happening ? how can we stop happening? how can we stop people gaming the system in this way , abusing the established way, abusing the established church to actually have, you know, sympathetic judges, members of the judiciary with middle class guilt saying, come one, come all. >> i mean, it's the simplest thing on the planet to resolve. you need to determine what religion this individual was when they ostensibly left the country. that was a compromising their human rights. and were they christian then? if they weren't christian, then what is it that motivated the motive that motivated to that motivated them to leave their ? they can't come their country? they can't come to the united kingdom, decide they're christian, and then argue because they're christian. they can no longer go back to the from they the country from where they came. come in came. why did they come in the first is only first place?

what do you think to that, ben habib? >> well , i to that, ben habib?well, i think it's absolutely outrageous. and i hope she has the book utterly thrown at her. presumably they went after balfour because the balfour declaration of 1917, which i think was the first contemplation of a separate state for jewish people. contemplation of a separate state forjewish people. but it's completely wrong . that it's completely wrong. that valuable piece of art should be vandalised in the way. well, in any way , but particularly any way, but particularly obviously, you know, irredeemably in the way that she did to make a protest. and i think , you know, beyond that, think, you know, beyond that, one of the problems i've got with the whole palestinian debate is that it seeks to draw its , legitimacy through going its, legitimacy through going back to past events repeatedly. and if you're going to go all the way back to balfour in 1917 for the balfour declaration, you're really scraping the barrel to justify your position. and you certainly don't do it by vandalising

ben habib, what's the matter you? matter with you?n , you know, the >> well, i mean, you know, the rwanda is going to rwanda plan is not going to work, it? it can't make its work, is it? it can't make its way through parliament in a manner makes sense. the manner that makes sense. the idea that the commons be idea that the commons should be directed lords to not directed by the lords to not break law , when actually it break the law, when actually it is parliament that makes the law just says it's testimony, i think, to how discombobulated our whole legislature and legal system has become in this country. we simply cannot protect our borders. and we've seen this spectacle of the rwanda plan. i'm completely with you. i've got my fingers crossed for it. just to end. can we stop talking about the rwanda plan? even if it comes in, it's not going to act as a deterrent. it's no deterrent. a few hundred people might and according people might go, and according to the financial times today, the of the hundred that the cost of the few hundred

and also reform uk deputy ben habib. uk deputy leader ben habib.g head to head in just a moment. coming up, could a change of leaders stop the tories suffering a wipe—out at the election? conservative mps are plotting to are reportedly plotting to replace rishi sunak with penny mordaunt. if they're successful, she be the fourth leader. she would be the fourth leader. or is it the fifth? i don't know, the fourth. in the fifth or the fourth or the fifth? the fourth five and lib fourth in five years and the lib dems that they're the only dems say that they're the only party so dems say that they're the only pa|davey so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke at so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke at the so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke at the spring ed davey spoke at the spring conference this morning, calling for change, for transformational change, whatever urging whatever that means. and urging the prime minister to call an election. now do you agree? then a key nat

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thank you very much, ben habib. and you know drill as well. you're know the drill as well.ll of the show. so thank you to all of you to spend that you for choosing to spend that last with us. also don't go last hour with us. also don't go anywhere though because nigel farage is up next. but from me, that's all the night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. good evening to you. the rest of this week we'll be prepared for further heavy downpours and temperatures. staying around about or a little bit average low pressure bit below average low pressure is well and truly in control of our weather and will for be the rest of this week. these weather fronts have been making for a pretty soggy day for much of the uk. the rain across scotland is falling as snow over the hills that continues in the east through elsewhere, it through the night. elsewhere, it does little bit drier , does turn a little bit drier, staying fairly cloudy and some staying fairly cloudy and some staying

this is deputy leader ben habib. this is the habib , your the clash. buckingham palace, whatever on any of it. >> yeah. well, i'm delighted to see that the princess is well and apparently. well, i thought there was far too much chat about her ailment while she was out. i think we should have been respectfully silent and respectfully silent on it and wishing the best at the wishing her all the best at the same time. so it's to see same time. so it's good to see her nigel. her back, nigel. >> was >> the picture was great. the kids smiling laughing. kids were smiling and laughing. she thought that she was smiling. i thought that was good picture to put was a really good picture to put out. >> well that's lovely. well, what think? gb views said what do you think? gb views said gb tweet at gb gb news. com tweet us at gb news. is gb news still to news. this is gb news still to come. monologue bbc. come. my monologue on the bbc. i know i really should stop, i shouldn't, but first let's get an update with your weather with craig. don't forget as well. catch up

we're joined in the studio now by ben habib.d by swear him in? i'm surprised by david davis . you as much david davis. you know, as much as like george as you may not like george galloway of the things galloway and some of the things he stands for, he was democratically elected with a thumping. just have to they do get grip. get a grip. >> they have to swallow it and they have to accept him into the house of commons. and the criticism, extent they've criticism, to the extent they've got ought be got criticisms, ought to be aimed themselves, that aimed at themselves, that they've allowed country aimed at themselves, that thejtoa allowed country aimed at themselves, that thejto aallowed country aimed at themselves, that thejto a stage d country aimed at themselves, that thejto a stage where:ountry aimed at themselves, that thejto a stage where youtry aimed at themselves, that thejto a stage where you could get to a stage where you could get to a stage where you could get someone like galloway getting a thumping majority . getting

this one through is a former labour adviser, scarlett mccgwire and co—deputy, leader of reform uk, ben habibins to explain what's going on, ben. but ben, ben . but, ben, on, ben. but ben, ben. but, ben, i mean, we just seem to be handing money over to any country that comes along now saying they can help us out. why? >> well, i mean, £1 million is modest to you modest by comparison to the you know, hundreds of millions we've had for not had in france for not for not stopping the boats. >> but i think the idea behind this is that it's difficult for us return to their us to return people to their country of origin because of the human rights act and the european convention of human rights, of which we're a member , rights, of which we're a member, and of which and their qualities are most superior court for human rights. >> so to get libya to it, and >> so to get libya to do it, and i they've got the i think where they've got the idea is what the idea from is what the australians were doing in, operation sovereign borders back in 2013, where they would drive boats back to literally drive boats

a lot of people saying richard tice very, very competent leader, ben habib , very popular and welcome show later. very popular , naturally conservative. popular, naturally conservative. but the party really was needing that working class brick in the wall. liam halligan. do you think he's the man that's going to pull together the red wall for you guys? >> i agree entirely, the idea of having working class candidates will turn the red wall turquoise, not blue. and yet many of our candidates are working class. we are the people's party of this country. we're going to give this country back to its citizens. we're going to stand to the woke going to stand up to the woke establishment. and people like leigh i say, say it how it leigh as i say, say it how it is. and that's what the silent majority hear. majority want to hear. >> okay. >> okay. >> and andrew, as chris opened the here with martin, the studio here with martin, is your reform you your problem now? reform you don't know where voters live. you're basically a social media campaign man with a couple of high profile politicians lead

but before we get ben habib. latest news headlines. >> nana, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country . delivering for the country. >> we've got to show them by the time of the election two things we've got to show them that we've got to show them that we've got to show them that we've got a plan. the

anderson, now a former mp, you've got richard as a regular, regularly appearing on here, you've got ben habiblot of people with political labels who appear on the channel very regularly and very comfortably, which is fine. but if you don't have that journalistic balance, which allows the presenter or presenters to say, well, hang on a minute, let's put another point of view. so i think, you know, there is an element that sometimes it feels as though people are getting a very easy ride, and that there isn't a challenge to put the balance, which i think is much more incumbent on the traditional. >> but i'll give you i'll give you, i'll give you. on climate change, there is no debate. and the bbc or any other channels whatsoever, so that impartiality just doesn't stack up. >> i find really >> what i find really interesting, by the way, we interesting, by the way, when we speak balance, what we've speak about balance, what we've got is make sure there's got to do is make sure there's due impartiality. what that due impartiality. so what that means obviously there's of means is obviously there's o

a clash with gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also reform uk deputy leader ben habib

know nigel farage, a colleague at gb news, is also the honorary president of reform, richard tice ben habibit party, martin, are these people who well get on with lee who might well get on with lee anderson, or will they be bit anderson, or will they be a bit of attention of jostling for attention? >> that is often >> yes. i mean, that is often big out. mean, we big egos fall out. i mean, we saw that in we saw that in ukip. and a really question. and it's a really big question. i interesting is i think an interesting one is how position themselves how reform position themselves on economy. on the on the economy. now, traditionally. ukip parts of the right often associated with free market economics, but, you know, reform for some reform have called for some energy firms to be taken into pubuc energy firms to be taken into public there is this public ownership. there is this strain of what some call left conservatism or red ukip. it used be known as where you used to be known as where you combine a conservative combine sort of a conservative position immigration and position on immigration a

i don't think ben habib and richard tice were saying a big saying there's a big announcement coming fromf rubbing their i think it's their hands, but i think it's more, you know, nigel sort of putting his support behind them rather actually taking on rather than actually taking on that or any kind that leadership role or any kind of problem. i think he wants to wait see the next wait and see how the next election shakes works out. >> well, don't we all? emma. tom, very much indeed. tom, thank you very much indeed. here's weather. here's your weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so today has started quite cloudy and damp for some of us, but that will gradually be turning brighter as we head through afternoon. area through the afternoon. the area of rain that we can see across much england and wales much of england and wales eventually its way eventually pushes its way eastwards the latter eventually pushes its way east'of'ds the latter eventually pushes its way east'of