>> so with howard cox, ben habib now rupert lowe who have been ostracised.out nigel farage being frightened of losing control of the reform party? >> all right. jj, can i start with you on the end here? because i think you were. you don't mind me saying you were quivering on the edge of being a reform supporter. >> were you that far, mate? no. >> were you that far, mate? no. >> but what do you make of this gentleman's question here? >> it depends what you want as a reform voter. if you want to have a serious chance of getting into parliament, you're not going to support rupert lowe, unfortunately, because people who are not anywhere near supporting reform do not like what rupert lowe says. farage you will see and admit over the last year and a half, he's changed his stance on several things. he's become softer, the things. he's become softer, the things that he says he still means and believes in, i think. but he's not going as far as he used to because he needs to win. people like me, the labour voter who's disenfranchised by labour, he needs to be in the t

and when people i mean, i've been on with ben habib many times and we don't agree, but i think ben is and they've fallen out dramatically and now he's fallen out with rupert lowe. when nigel farage feels threatened or challenged, he doesn't like it. we don't know about the substance of these allegations, so we can't comment on that. but interesting. >> what do you make of the timing? because, i mean, this allegation of a physical alteration altercation happened in december. rupert lowe gave an interview to the daily mail on thursday. and then. suddenly on friday, yeah, to andrew pierce. and then suddenly on friday, all these allegations come out and he's suspended from the party. what do you make of the timing? suspicious. >> odd isn't it? >> odd isn't it? >> it's suspect, to say the least. >>

>> so with howard cox, ben habib now rupert lowe who have been ostracised.this more about nigel farage being frightened of losing control of the reform party? >> all right. jj, can i start with you on the end here? because i think you were. you don't mind me saying you were quivering on the edge of being a reform supporter. >> were you that far, mate? no. >> were you that far, mate? no. >> but what do you make of this gentleman's question here? >> it depends what you want as a reform voter. if you want to have a serious chance of getting into parliament, you're not going to support rupert into parliament, you're not

. >> well, talking of zia yusuf, because ben habib, of course, who has been saying this very, very similars, now that rupert lowe is saying, has obviously said that he should be sacked, he said on twitter. sack zia yusuf. do you believe that's the correct approach [000:08:36;00] [000:08:36;00]