ben heen he lack -- ulak. >> give us a sense with a backdrop on this vote on the debt what the republican strategy to lowering the federal debt is. what is the medium and long-term plan? >> this is certainly reaching crisis proportions. you have a debt in excess of $21 billion. proposals like medicare for all will add over $30 trillion. this is crazy. one of the things we have to do, we have met with folks this week and last week talking about better ways of valuing the public benefit of different federal investments. everyone knows you can look back at the percentage of the budget attributable to mandatory spending programs, programs not subject to annual congressional appropriations, that has exceeded far in excess of 70% of the overall budget. up from percentages as low in the upper teens, even the low 20 percentile range decades ago. we have to attack the mandatory spending side and make sure we apply criteria that looks at the value generated from these investments, just like any private company would fo, just like a family at home would do. i believe we should actually impose penalt