ben heineman: can the counsel disagree? - ( all chuckling ) - tapper: we will get to you in a second. - leslie lowe: can your shareholders disagree? - tapper: well, leslie, you're the head of an n.g.o. that's focused on the environment. and you know betsy just because - your kids go to the same school. - oh, okay. and you've heard about this novastan deal going through. - you have concerns about this. - lowe: sure. betsy, my concern about what paul just said is it isn't just the workers. asbestos generalized in the environment is a very very dangerous substance. and unless there are those protections, i'd say that your company might be setting itself up for a big problem. well, i think that it's important to take what's been learned and transfer it to the environment to minimize any negative damage. but at the end of the day we do need to make a product and get it to market in timely fashion. we compete with many other cruise lines and we can't not go to market. - lowe: you know, betsy... - we've got the expense of our loan