i had an interesting lunch one time, i met ben hogan one time. i had a great lunch with him, i had -- asked him a couple of questions, two of which really stand out in my mind. the first was, i said, mr. hogan, do you think that a tall golfer will ever come around down the pike really be a great golfer? he said, absolutely. because at that time there was -- nobody tall could ever play -- >> hogan was about 5'7". >> right. the other thing, how nervous did you get when you were playing in competition? he looked at me with the steely blue eyes, he was a wonderful -- he looked and got serious said, tom, i was so nervous i was jumping out of my skin. i'm thinking, here is a guy called the wee iceman that underneath there he's got a lot of pressure. i talked to lou travina and jack, a good friend, you hear them talk about under the gun. we all have nerves and how do you deal with that. a certain toughness you have to have, certain belief in yourself, some times that belief is teetering on the edge of questioning yourself. you want to expand that distan