. >> in 1960chichi went on tour with ben hogan and arnold palmer.had never seen a player with this much person -- personality. >> i didn't want to be anybody but me. everybody wanted to be like ben hogan. i wanted to be chichi, nobody else. >> he was a showman. you never knew if he was going to put his hat over the hole or a sword dance or whatever he was going to do. it was for the people. >> and soon he began to win. >> i would like to say hello to my mother in new york city. now with this check i will build her a home. >> some of the enthusiasm rankled the players who wanted him to stop throwing his fedora when he got it in. >> some say you damage the lawn when you put your hat on there. they were envious because the fans liked it. so he says i am not telling you to stop. it but i am telling you to think of something else. >> so he went back to his room and envisioned himself in the ring fighting a bull. >> i went to the room and i figured that the hole was a bull and i had the sword which is the putter and i stopped the bull and i put the sword

everybody wanted to be like ben hogan. i like ben hogan, but i want to be chi chi.whether he would put his hat over the hole or do a sword dance. it was all for the people. >> and soon he began to win. >> i'd like to say hello to my mother in new york city. now with this check, i'll build her a home. >> some of his enthuse yam rangeled the established players who wanted him to stop throwing his hat every time he made a birdie. then he was summoned to new york. >> he told me, some of the pros are complaining that you're danieling the hole when you put your hat on it. all they were was envious because the fans liked it. so he says, i'm not telling you to stop it, but i'm asking to you think of something else. >> so chi chi went back to his room and envisioned himself as a toriador in a ring fighting a bull. >> i went to the room and i figured that the hole was a bull and i had the sword, which is the putter, and i stabbed the bull and i dried the blood off and put the sword back in the scab backward. but in real life, i don't like to see anything bleed. >> the dance w

but i mean, ben hogan might not have had the science to measure everything, but there is really not anyone today who hits the golf ball like like him. so, you know, dave matthew said in a song once and this really hit me, he said progress takes away from what took prefer to find and i thought, wow, that is pretty deep. you know, soable, i would love to be able to use the new stuff and i wish i had the ability to understand what attracted me when i was 13 and kept swinging in to out to stop the ball from going left that would have been helpful. >> rose: what do you think of stack and tilt and plumber and bennett? >> i think andy plumber is arguably to me maybe one of the sharpest minds in golf instruction and you know andy, mike is a friend as well. but i think it is how you go about doing something so i am not going to sit here and tell you that everyone is wrong but us. >> rose: yes. does that mean that you follow what andy plumber and michael bennett teach .. or think about the swing and the structure of a swing and -- >> yeah, i mean, parts. parts. there is nothing new under the sun and