it didn't matter whether you were ben hoggan his best friend, it didn't matter whether you were henry ford t didn't matter whether you were just a normal person. he had this ability to communicate unlike anything i have ever seen. i think i take everything i do from that learning as a youngster. >> am i correct in this he actually taught president kennedy president kennedy, president eisenhower. >> uh-huh. >> theres with a range of people. >> i think you could go to kennedy, eisenhower, nixon, ford and on true until my father passed away. he spent the wol time with many of the presidents, with many of the heads of industry. >> what do you think made him great. >> i think my father was a person that people liked to be around. he had a very gregarious and outgoing personality. he treated everyone the same. you could be the president of the united states. you could be working in a factory and you come to be with him. that was fine with him because you loved golf and golf was the tool that he used in his life. and he loved it so much and he loved being around people that liked it that he