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ben jealous is the president of people for the american way. he's joining us live.hanks so much for joining us. what's your reaction to the increased tension we're seeing in various cities around the country right now and what's your reaction to what the mayor of portland is now saying? >> i think the mayor's spot on. we've never seen a president stir the pot like this. typically a president right now would be sending federal troops, federal law enforcement to protect protestors, to protect the first amendment, to try to help to ratchet the tension down. instead, we see the president do exactly the opposite, especially in portland. but we say it in the nation's capital too. he's stirring the pot, inflaming tension. you would expect a president to be growing in the job at this stage, but instead he seems to have devolved into the most base stoking of violence -- >> do you think that -- >> and the situation has fallen apart with it. >> do you think that's politically smart from his perspective. he's got 60-plus days to go before the election. >> yes, he believes that

"outfront" now, ben jealous, president of people for the american way and foundation, and former presidentnaa naacp. ben, always good to have you on. so kanye west, should democrats be concerned about his run? these razor-thin margins in several states would make it possible that someone does not need to do really well to flip this whole election. >> look, what's clear is that trump supporters are giving up on donald trump's ability to win, fair and square. and they're getting desperate and they're throwing whatever they can at the wall. and this week, they're throwing kanye west running for president a the wall to see if it sticks. >> so the woman who submitted the signatures needed to get west on that ballot in wisconsin. i was just laying out the numbers. a republican lawyer with ties to the trump campaign. so, you know, it's pretty clear there. i mean, do you have any doubt that republicans are organizing to help him? whether kanye west is onboard with that or not is a totally separate question. it's more, are they doing it? >> oh, look, if you read "the times" article, it's clear in l

. >>> out front now ben jealous former president and ceo of the naacp. also our cnn analyst and herndon national political reporter for the "new york times." great to see you all. so much to get to here. ben, i'll start with you. you heard the president defending both kyle rittenhouse and the trump supporters in portland who were shooting paint balls at protesters. when you were hearing him talk about that, what were your first thoughts? >> the first thoughts that we've never seen this before. we've never seen a president fan the flames of hate and violence like this. he should be trying to unite the country. he should be showing empathy, evolving in office. he is doing just the opposite. he is doubling down on hate and violence and taking us to a place frankly we have not been before as a country. >> when you look at how he was talking during the press conference, he is so focused on who was behind the violence, repeatedly talking about the left wing and shying away from condemning people on the right wing. people who support him. this is a pattern we've