ben judah, the author of "fragile empire: how russia fell in and out of love with vladimir putin." how russia fell in and out of love with vladimir putin. he's a fellowes, and his latest peace why russia no longer fears the west. it's good you have you to join us. the point of what you write is that the west shouldn't be stunned. they don't feel the west, despite they have massive investments in europe and the u.s. you are pretty much writing that the reason they don't fear us is because they have all the investments here. every year in russia, billions and billions of dollars are stolen. they are shipped out of the country, it doesn't go to china, to dubai, it doesn't go to russia adds allies, it comes to western europe. who is laundering this money? who is bringing it in to london in particular, into switzerland? it's british bankers, french bankers, german accountant apts, british lawyers. over the years, through the parcel experience with dealing with western elite, russia's rulers and owners have seen that these people care more about money than human rights. vladimir putin wa