how ben curry, junior, be and family. how discouraging is it flows? how discouraging is it for you. when a french minister, pamela bone said last month, that ukraine might have to wait between 15 and 20 years to join the e. u. is that typical of some of the mixed signals that you're getting from western countries? very often as the people are the same, people who are saying that ukraine will collapse in 3 days back 3 months ago. so i agree, it is very d moralizing, but it is changing. and i think it's very important for our partners and allies in the west to show this coalition and to strengthen ukrainian voice. there always be some politicians who would express something like this either in germany, hungary or france. but again, like it's crucial to understand what ukrainians are fighting for and ukrainians are fighting for democratic values and ukrainians are trying to disrupt and to break this extremely bloody and authoritarian regime in russia, which would be beneficial for, for all western countries. as they said, when they finish with us, they will go further and let's not sto