. >> ben kallo. >> first time here.n person. >> first time on set. >> b.k.s unite, man. >> trade on tesla, please. >> he's the axe in the stock. you pointed out lower lows, lower highs. stock has not traded well. whether it's coincidence or not since september when oil started going down. i still think it makes a move to the may low which is 177. you hope you have a double bottom and it bounces. you either buy it there or you buy the break at 220. right here to me it's still no man's land. >> i think ben would probably agree that this particular issue that he addressed today didn't need the addressing in terms of this particular issue as far as range anxiety. as far as the used batteries, in other words, the reason the recity ssit /* scity -- residua if musk were to say, when you buy our used car we throw in all these new batteries, that's a completely different car then. >> so the residual value concern is still a concern of yours? >> ota updates. >> most people know that tesla updates over the air because, you know, i

. >> ben kallo of baird. how do you trade tesla? >> has it hung in there since the fall?e is a stock that was 280 and now 190. it hasn't hung in there, number one. i thought it's sort of in the 180 to 225 camp. i also thought we gore to break out earlier this year where it had a couple of nice days in the row. it looked like it finally wanted to push through. it has disappointed again. 177 was the low back in may of 2014. effectively 180 is the line in the sand. it feels as if it wants to print that one more time. >> to take the other side of it, though, it was good point ben made about sentiment sort of coming down a little bit, at least on the street on the estimate side. the estimates have in fact come down. >> had to. >> we had an analyst -- they had to. they had to because the stock came down. maybe that helps the situation in terms of finding some stability in the stock. >> i don't know. i still think that the expectations are very high. i think the company has definitely going frn missing on short-term targets to moving much longer term ones that seem almost absurd