and i want to thank ben lefebvre .will link to your articles and politico, a series of exposes on the current secretary of the interior. that does it for our show. democracy now! has a job opening for a broadcast engineer here in our new york city studio. find out more and apply at democracynow.org. [captioning made possible by democracy now!] announcer: now please join me in welcoming sally kohn and julie lythcott-haims. [cheering and applause] julie: well, hello, everybody. welcome to tonight's program. i'm julie lythcott-haims, as marissa said, author of "real american" and "how to raise an adult." and tonight, it is my pleasure to be here in conversation with sally kohn. sally comes from a life of activism and organizizing, and she's now a political commentator, currently on cnn and formerly on fox. which we are gonna talk about that. she's a columnist, the host of the podcast "state of resistance," and most importantly for our present purposes, author of a brand-new,