and ben mezrich is joining us now. good morning to you. >> thank you so much. >> start off with the title. >> the "37th parallel" is a majority of ufo sitings and and chuck cowski who spent his life looking for ufos is trying to find these things. >> you think of it as a ufo super highway? >> right. the line runs through colorado, new mexico, utah. and there is some strange phenomenons going on there. cattle mutilations is one of the big ones. it dates back to the '40s. over 10,000 cows and horses have been found lying o side and missing organs. all of the cuts are circular and they are completely drained of blood and no one can figure out what is going on. >> tell us about chuck. how did you meet him? >> chuck was a reserve sheriff's deputy in colorado. he was fired from his job as a sheriff after investigating one of these cattle mutilations. he then hurled himself into the world of ufos. i heard about chuck and never i was a skeptic. after involved with him i changed my mind and enormous amount of evidence i think w

joining us now is author ben mezrich.ed "the 37th parallel: the secret truth behind america's ufo highway." and you entered into this skeptical and you actually -- it's about a guy -- >> that was a reserves deputy in colorado. he was fired after investigating a cattle mutilation. cattle mutilation is a crazy phenomenon in the midwest where over 10,000 cows and horses have been found lying on their left side missing a heart, missing lungs, missing eyes. >> what? >> all the cuts are surgical, circular and surgical. and they're drained of blood. it was a huge phenomenon in the '70s they petitioned the government for an fbi investigation. they investigated for ten years and found nothing. >> why make the leap to aliens versus satanic cults? >> there's a lot of positive theories. chuck made the leap to ufo's. when it happens in multiple states at the same time over 70 years. you would need a massive cult. >> yeah, but who knows. >> and it's a possibility. but chuck after getting fired from the sheriff's department, he became a