you told me you had ben nelson, the corn husker kickback. >> i get that all the time! is benjamin nelson. i'm ben nelson. >> he is the founder of minerva. get this, college students graduating this month will be the most indebted class ever, along with the diplomas they carry an average of $37,000 of student debt as they enter the work force. recent report showing 40% of americans with federal student loans are not making payments or are behind on the more than $200 billion owed. joining us to talk about rising college costs is ben nelson, founder of minerva. our guest host this morning, bob kerrey, is the executive chairman for minerva research and scholarships. this issue has come up time and again with bernie sanders saying he would make college tuition free for everybody. what's the problem? what's gone wrong? >> a number of things have gone wrong. debt in and of itself is not a bad thing if it's low and it's serviceable, right? there is nothing wrong with saying i'm going to go get a good education that will allow me to get a better job or allow me to enter a care

nelson. good morning. we have news from overnight. ben sasse, the republican senator, which votes next tuesday, put out this big long letter on facebook where he is calling for a third party candidate. sasse has been never trump for a long time. he says there needs to be someone extra to jump in the race. i believe most americans can be for limited government again if they have a candidate to focus on a small number of important urgent things to try to bring people together instead of driving us apart. i think there is room and appetite for such a candidate. he went on with #wecandobetter. give us more choices. interesting to see. a sitting republican senator calling for a third party candidate. interesting. >> it is fascinating. i guess the big unanswered question is who is that third party candidate? who is he talking about? i mean, that's the problem with never trump from the beginning. they have always said never trump. anyone but trump. they have never been able to coalesce around one person. at this point of a third party candidate,