to take them to jail. >> and while they had james, they asked him point blank about the murder of ben oxley. >> did i kill ben? no. do i know who killed ben? no. did dawn kill ben? no. do i know anything about the murder? no. >> were you and dawn involved in any way in the planning of the death of ben? >> no. i'm looking you in your eyes. i did not kill him. >> but that was it. lots of denials. no real evidence. a year and a half had gone by since the murder. it was the summer of 2009. on toward cold case territory. >> getting there. >> then one afternoon as detective elgis was recovering from a night on the graveyard shift, his cell phone rang. it was dawn oxley. >> she said she couldn't take it anymore. she wanted to talk. >> what were you thinking on the way to see her? >> it's about time. >> the detective drove over to dawn's house. she was inebriated. >> i'm hurting. >> but she had quite a story to tell about james. about how he offered to murder ben. >> the night ben died, he said now or never. and i said no. i said not today. don't do it. no. i said no. i said no. no, no, no, no. >>