ben powell for one. he wrote a book we ought to let children work.ds awful. >> child labor might be awful, but prohibiting it is an awful lot worse. listen, we don't make people better off when we take away their least bad option. children only work in these because their family is desperately poor. if you ban sweatshops you don't get rid of that poverty, you eliminate that one option they have that makes it not quite as bad as it would be otherwise. >> so no laws against it. >> when we were developing we had virtually no laws against it. and the process of development took care of it itself. we didn't have a national labor law until 1938. it followed the economic development. this completely makes sense. labor hood agitated -- once the process of competition raised standards including no more child labor then businesses didn't lobby against it and governments adopted laws. >> here's an example of how the western media covers the child labor outrage. >> it is 800 degrees celsius. look at this small boy. and who is at fault? big corporations and free

ben powell for one. he wrote a book we ought toren work.t sounds awful. >> child labor might be awful, but prohibiting it is an awful lot worse. listen, we don't make people better off when we take away their least bad option. children only work in these because their family is desperately poor. if you ban sweatshops you don't get rid of that poverty, you eliminate that one option they have that makes it not quite as bad as it would be otherwise. >> so no laws against it. >> when we were developing we had virtually no laws against it. and the process of development took care of it itself. we didn't have a national labor law until 1938. it followed the economic development. this completely makes sense. labor hood agitated -- once the process of competition raised standards including no more child labor then businesses didn't lobby against it and governments adopted laws. >> here's an example of how the western media covers the child labor outrage. >> it is 800 degrees celsius. look at this small boy. and who is at fault? big corporations and

which as ben powell said on the last panel, the charter of the intelligence community sets out, roles and responsibilities, contains some substantive restrictions for example with prohibition on assassination. that report is likely to come out late they are year. let's talk about that from a legal perspective. in your view, does eo 12333 serve as kind of an independent grant of surveillance authority? or is it a structure for implementing existing statutory grants? >> i don't think it's, i don't think it has any grant of authority within it. or it is intended to do that. it's really from the standpoint of the intelligence community, i think it defines the lanes in which each of the entities within the intelligence community function. it doesn't itself grant authority. the authority is granted by statute. granted by the constitution. granted elsewhere. but the executive order itself doesn't have a grant of authority. it has a grant, it has assignment of responsibility for exercising authorities under statutes that are already existing. and it, it succeeded as you heard in the, has succ

ben powell, once removed there, is someone -- you know that you have a lawyer at the other end when your bio is four pages long. very distinguished lawyers with wilmer hale now. but goes back to our life together in the national security council staff in the mid-2000s, early to mid-2000s. was very instrumental in terms of his real in the ritpa, intellgeneral reform in terrorism prevention act. i sat down the corridor from him at the national security council staff. anything that came out wrong, blame him. i tried to get it right. and no good deed goes unpunished, went on to become general counsel at the dni as the first general counsel under general neglect -- the no good deed goes unpunished was instrumental in shaping the amendments, the executive order, 12333 that if you know your history, goes back to 1981 but was updated then and signed by george w. bush as president in july of 2008. as a colleague, there is a commonality between the two of them and they're both air force in terms of their background. so it's absolutely a delight to have them here today. but as cullie, admonished us

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