which as ben powell said on the last panel, the charter of the intelligence community sets out roles and responsibilities, contains some substantive restrictions, for example the prohibition on assassination. that report, too, is likely to come out later this year. let's talk about that from a legal perspective. in your view, does eo 12333 serve as kind of an independent grant of surveillance authority? or is it a structure for implementing existing statutory grants? >> i don't think it's, i don't think it has any grant of authority within it. or it is intended to do that. it's really from the standpoint of the intelligence community, i think it defines the lanes in which each of the entities within the intelligence community function. it doesn't itself grant authority. the authority is granted by statute. granted by the constitution. granted elsewhere. but the executive order itself doesn't have a grant of authority. it has a grant, it has assignment of responsibility for exercising authorities under statutes that are already existing. and it, it succeeded as you heard in the, has s

ben powell said on last panel the charter the role rolls and responsiblities, contains some substantive restrictions. for example the prohibition on assassination. that report too is likely to come out later this year. so let's talk about that from a legal perspective. in in your vie. eo-1233, serve as independent grant of surveillance authority or is it a structure for implementing existing statutory grants? >> i don't think it's, i don't think it has any grant of authority within it or that it's intended to do that. it is really from the standpoint of the intelligence community i think it defines the lanes which each of the entities within the intelligence community function. it doesn't itself grant authority. the authority is granted by statute, it is granted by the constitution. it is granted elsewhere but the executive order itself doesn't have a grant of authority. it has a, has assignment of responsibility for exercising authorities under states already existing and it -- under statutes already existing. it succeeded, as you heard in the last panel largely because the components

ben? mr. powell: excellent question. it really does wrap this up. i think the community once said that the islamic community -- islamic state was a myth. of the not a criticism community, that goes back to what general hayden said, you know, you are dealing with very hard problems of setting the 10,daries, but one out of don't say we didn't warn about it. but i think the islamic state -- was a miss, and it was soiss because it difficult regarding the intelligence nature. assad's armys going to stay together? will they have enough intelligence communities and information? flying, bullets start are they going to fall apart or stay cohesive and fight? going to do with little green men and others? the less capability we're going to have when we talk about when weng borders and talk about nationstates and stability in places like ukraine and elsewhere. mr. shedd: as somebody who handle the intelligence transition in 2008 and 2009 from president bush to president obama, on the 20 first of january, the conversation would be something like this. the preside

ben powell once removed there is someone -- and you know that you have a lawyer at the other end when you write off his bio, it's four pages long. very distinguished lawyer with wilmer hale now, but goes back to our life together in the national security council staff in the mid-2000s, early to mid-2000s, was very instrumental in terms of his role in the irpta. as my principal lawyer as i sat down the corridor from him at the national security council staff. anything that came out wrong in irpta, blame him. i tried to get it right. no good deed goes unpunished. he went on to become general counsel at the dni as the first general counsel under mike hayden and my self as chief of stat there at the time. then the no good deed goes unpunished, was very instrumental in shaping the amendments, the executive order 12333 that if you know your history, goes back to 1981 but was updated then and signed by george w. bush as president in july of 2008. as a colleague, there is a commonality between the two of them, and they're both air force in terms of their backgrounds. >> that's right. >> so it

ben powell once removed there is someone -- and you know that you have a lawyer at the other end when you write off his bio at four pages long. very distinguished lawyer with wilmer hale now but goes back to our life together in the national security council staff in mid-2000s, early to mid-2000s, was very instrumental in terms of his role in the irtpa, the intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act. as my principal lawyer as i sat down to quarter from him at the national security council staff. anything that came out wrong in irtpa, blame him. i tried to get it right. but -- and no good deed goes unpunished, went on to become general counsel at the dni as the first general council under mike and mike caden and myself as chief of staff there at the time. and then the no good deed goes unpunished was very instrumental in shaping the amendments, the executive order 12333 that if you know your history goes back to 1981 but was updated then and signed by george w. bush as president in july of 2008. as a colleague, there is a commonality between the two of them, and they're both air

. >> rose: take a look at this, another scene, colonel powell asking alan rickman, the great alan rickman who plays lieutenant general ben son to switch the mission from capture to kill. >> we need to put a hell fire on that roof right now. >> i told you, it is a capture, not a kill. give me a capture option. >> we no longer have a capture option. any action on the ground will lead to an armed con front traition which we will not be able to can tain. >> they're watching. even with a vest, we need their approval for a strike. >> just tell them we have-- that alone shid justify using a hell fire. the vests just a bonus. >> they want her a life. >> they cannot have her alive. frank, i have tracked for six years, this is the closest i have ever got. so we need to expand our rules of engagement right now to protect the civilian population, the hell fire through that roof is our most effective option. >> we have to know that we're legally in the clear. >> so moving for plea to see alan, it's so great to see him and so incredibly sad. we also him much, much too early. so sorry. >> rose: no, no, no. >> yeah. >> rose: it was an i