ben rhodes didn't hide that.n rhodes didn't lie about the basic terms of the deal pef's just saying he wasn't challenged on it. >> ben rhodes didn't know who -- was. >> thanks to all of you for being here tonight. good discussion. ric, michael and david. >>> up next, explosive allegations of a hate crime fly when a fight among college students breaks out on a public bus. and tonight the girls once thought to be victims in all of this are the ones under fire. criminal defense attorney mark eiglarsh joins us with the details on this, and you will not want to miss it. ♪ (music pl♪ throughout) uh oh. what's up? ♪ ♪ ♪ does nobody use a turn signal anymore? ♪ introduces new, easy-to-swallow tablets. so now, there are more ways, for more people... to experience... complete protection from frequent heartburn. nexium 24hr. the easy-to-swallow tablet is here. hey, jesse. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. over time, your money

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ben rhodes is interviewed by "the new york times" in this "times" sunday magazine, correct? >> correct. >> and he says what? what led you to the deception word? what led you there? >> well, of course, he denies there was deception practiced. the instance that's dwelled upon in this 10,000 word "new york times" magazine profile of ben rhodes offers one example about the timing of the iran nuclear deal. the allegation is that the administration told to the american public that it's advisable to do this deal now because there's a more moderate government in iran but i can attest directly that the obama administration in the person of then state department spokeswoman victoria nuland, of whom i am very fond, flat outside lied to me in 2013. i asked pointblank are there any direct talks going on between the u.s. and iran of any kind and she said no at a point when the talks had been ongoing for eight months. but here is the real point, bill. we need to distinguish, it seems to me, between lies about the timing or the origins of the nuclear deal and those lice that have been told

not only did ben rhodes not appear and cost us an opportunity to question mr. rhodes, the cost us the opportunity to question tommy cotton. hauling a senator before congress would have really created a constitutional congress. good thing or us, tommy was willing to come on his own. the contrast would have been interesting. the white house is very critical of senator cotton. of course, when he was serving tours of duty in the united states army in afghanistan and iraq, ben rhodes was navigating the mean streets of a creative writing curriculum. i mean that literally, that is not figurative. he has a masters in creative writing. if you are interested in writing haiku's and sonnets and novellas, he is probably the right guy. on the other hand, when you are advising the leader of the free world i do not know how a haiku helps. but i would have enjoyed the opportunity to ask mr. rhodes how his background prepared him to sell the iranian deal and yet tommy cotton's did not. that would have been an interesting dichotomy for me. but i want to ask mr. rhodes what he mean

grothman of wisconsin. >> one more time to ben rhodes. not ben rhodes, to michael doran. ben rhodes commented on the white house's desire to avoid scrutiny. i'd like to look at video clip d and ask you a question about it. >> we're already thinking through -- so we don't require legislative action right away. >> how do you feel the process circumvented the transparency with congress? >> they structured the deal so they could take it to the security council and effectively move out on it before congress ever really got to look at it. there is a second dimension to what we just heard that's disturbing. that was ben rhodes talking to a group of progressive activists and telling them what was coming down the line and giving them the talking points about how to support it. what you just heard was ben rhodes talking to the foot soldiers that are going to create -- in his chamber. >> tell us again what those foot soldiers are. >> i'm sorry? >> tell us again -- >> these are progressive groups. i don't know exactly. we're talking -- regularly briefed groups, not pseudoexperts on n

ben rhodes refused to show up. let's put them owl under oath. bill: what can you accomplish without rhodes being there? >> not much. jay stop jay ge -- chaffetz wile whether to issue an subpoena. you don't assert a privilege when you get questions from people you don't like and that privilege doesn't apply when you want to sit down for a glowing piece on you in the "new york times." bill: there is a piece floating out there hat says your attorney said nothing could be done to save the four americans in benghazi in september of 2012. >> no, sir, dana chipman is a goodman and he served with great distinction. that was a transcript of one question he asked of leon panetta and jeremy bash. when you see the transcripts you will see what dana was talking about was a very small point. the posture of the troops. how that order was received. all of that is what we want to ask people about. whether they could have gotten there in time, i don't think there is any issue with respect to that. the next question is why could you not. why were you not positioned

i have to say i was never tricked by ben rhodes. to ben rhodes,ct in terms of the merits of that agreement, he was probably not as qualified as a mother people who are coming to congress and testifying before both republican and democratic caucuses. we had a list of experts. 78 nuclear experts, five former investors to israel, 29 nobel prize winning scientist, 36 retired generals come over 100 former u.s. ambassador's command over 500 iranian americans with experience in the u.s. and iran. 340 rabbis, 53 christian scientistshese test -- who createdsit this the first hydrogen bomb. we had stone cold experts on this. those are the people --actress sat with one of the experts from the i.a.e.a about what he iraq.t happened at and what they actually thought of the ability of this agreement to stop iran from developing a nuclear weapon. those are the people we also listened to. it was not been rhodes in some -- ben rhodes in some political spin. but if we are trying to measure this agreement, we are all rehashing this agreement. i think t

but it's not about ben rhodes.think that's what chaffetz is saying. >> we're moving on from ben rhodes. >> but ben rhodes and chaffetz is the story of the day. ben rhodes' example was, i had to do this because there's no way to have reasoned sober debate on the issue. with the very polarized republican party. >> we don't know what the details are of the deal. can't congress come back and say we're going to push back on any deal you cut with them and we want those sanctions put back on the iranians, because everything, the whole bill of goods you sold us is bs. >> they can say it but that will be up to a new administration. hillary is not going to liquid paper the deal. this shows the abhorrent duplicity, the lack of transparency on the part of this administration and we saw this before. this isn't the first time we've been sold this bill of goods. what about with obamacare? the same level of making fools of the american people. mocking, bragging about it. saying that oh, you know we told them this, but we knew that

harris: that is not what ben rhodes said.his would be the moderate regime. >> i don't know how appropriate it is for our guys to be on their knees. it is not appropriate. the revolutionary guard got medals and built a statue with our guys on their niece. >> like jane fonda apologizing to iran and iran doing right thing. thanks, guys. >> i'm speechless. i wish we would get the details right now. i don't think we should wait a year. i think the american public deserve to know what happens to our sailors over there. how did iran -- sandra: forbes goes beyond. i see clearly there were violations international maritime law here. he goes beyond that to say, listen we wanted our white house, president, secretary of state to stand up to say this is wrong. this is wrong treatment. somebody should be held accountable and to even discuss laws that were broken here, judge. >> sure. sandra: first let's acknowledge how bad this wall. >> international conventions that were broken. iran doesn't care or frankly world court or any other body t

not only did ben rhodes not appear and cost us an opportunity to question mr. rhodes, it cost us the opportunity and the privilege to ask questions of our friend and colleague tommy cotton. speaking of constitutional crisis, hauling a united states senator before a committee of congress would really have created a constitutional crisis. so, good thing for us, tommy was willing to come on his own. and it would have -- the background contrast would have been been interesting to me. you know, the white house is very critical of senator cotton and has been for several months now. senator cotton, of course, when he was serving tours of duty in the united states army in afghanistan and iraq, ben rhodes was navigating the mean streets of a creative writing curriculum in his post -- i mean that literally. that is not figurative. he has a masters in creative writing. and if you're interested in writing haikus and sonnets and novellas, he's probably the right guy. on the other hand, if you're advising the leader of the free world on foreign policy matters, i don't know ho

and quotes extensive isly from ben rhodes throughout the 10,000 words and uses ben rhodes's own quotesay him as not only singularly influential in the shaping of president obama's foreign policies as contemptuous of the foreign policy establishment and the news media and therefore in some measure as contemptuous of the public but also having used his writerly gifts to deceive the american people about the timing and origins of the iran deal. i would simply say, first of all, we have to be grown up about the presence of people like ben rhodes on the government payroll. they have been there for both parties dating back to the '60s. ben rhodes is very good what he does. the question, not even really raised by the article so much is not just whether lies were told about the timing and the origins of the iran negotiations such as i exposed in those briefings but whether lies were total about the ultimate outcome of those negotiations, substance of the iran deal and as we've been reporting on "special report" an elsewhere on this network it would appear that ben rhodes and the administration

if not, he's a victim of ben rhodes as well. >> now to mr. doren. you're recognized for five minutes. microphone there, please. >> thanks. chairman chaffetz, ranking member cummings -- >> if you could move the microphone right up. >> thank you for inviting me to address some of the problems raised by the recent profile in "new york times" magazine of ben rhodes. mr. rhodes admitted to the "new york times" that he created a war room of some two dozen detailees from around the executive branch who came to the white house and monitored all communications, all public communications about the iran deal. communications coming out of capitol hill, the think tank world, on social media, and then in the traditional media. he also created what he called an echo chamber, a network of sympathetic ngos, think tanks and members of the press to whom he ceded narratives, false narratives, i would say, about the iran deal and then directed the reporters to these ngos and think tanks to give seemingly independent verification to the narratives he put out. in my view,

members of congress are calling on the president to fire ben rhodes. judge napolitano joins me with his perspective. angry fliers are clogging up security lines. some say the tsa is making it worse on purpose. we'll explain. i'm kennedy. kennedy: the daunting spectre of a president trump is looming on the horizon. tonight it's katherine timf and she writes for the "national review." charles cook is here also a writer for "national review." and julie. julieroginsky round out thepane. charles needs a writing sample and blood sample. let's go around the table. what would donald trump's first day in office look like? >> i prefer to think of it as the last day of this country. it would be the end of this country. apocalypse. it would be four horsemen. kennedy: i think he will go to jeff bezos and take away his amazon rights. he's going after cnn and pull their chatter, their fcc license. shut down media and a bunch of other stuff he doesn't like. depend on how mean we are to him today. otherwise we are all done. kennedy: here is your audit. charles, i know

the committee invited deputy national security adviser ben rhodes to testify about his efforts to build public support for the nuclear agreement, but mr. rhodes decline to appear. instead the committee heard from representatives of conservative think tanks, this is 2 hours, 45 minutes. >>> good morning. the committee a oversight government reform will cup to order. today's hearing is entitled the white house narratives on the iran nuclear deal. i think this is important we take this up and deal with the situation, as we get going. there are three items i would ask unanimous consent. first is "new york times" magazine article, the aspiring novelist who became obama's foreign policy ghoul rye, the second is a her from the white house, addressed to me, copied to mr. cummings, talking about how the white house would not make ben rhodes available to the committee today. also a may 16th letter from senators cornyn, senator mark kirk, and senator john barrasso. without objection i'd like to enter these three into the record. without objection, so ordered. iran, it's one of three countries that

orders right things or not, he kind of didn't understand that he was doing part of the story that ben rhodesanted and there are a lot of other things like when you arewriting about ben that one could have also looked at . but my point is. jon: i am told we are not hearing. alright. go ahead lynn, finisher talk, i apologize. >> something i said? jon:i was told we were hearing your microphone, that we had lost or might . >> i'll quickly recap. i think sometimes, i've yet to meet a communications person at a high level who doesn't think that they have put one over on reporters. sometimes, judy, maybe you disagree with me on this. i thinkit's important to let people know what the senators, thewhite house , the mayor , the whoever you're talking about and covering what your b is to garner what they're thinking and it is in a matter of always minding for information but i think people know what's going on. that's why you have to look at a little more of the totality of something and not just be proud that somebody passed a law or a tweet so i think people are proud when they get stuff pushed out b

deputy assistant for deception and this administration is ben rhodes.or acknowledge that they are lying makes me wonder what else they are lying about. they have deceived the public for seven years for this administration. >> it is incredulous. so many of us have been in the trenches. we are people in the military, and the best of the obama administration can come up with is a failed fiction writer, a young man who never spend a day overseas. and this young man has. it is endemic of the attitude. charles: do you think that they have too much of a close relationship? the relationship is described as almost buddy buddy. >> it has been described in the press that ben rhodes refers to the president has barack. i would never reported he or any other president by there 1st name. charles: you might have noticed the stock market sold off today. atoday. a lot of people wondering if this will be a rate hike next month. i am. i'm going to go over that with you. i don't think it is the case. market volatility will be with us for a moment. we will be right back. ♪ c

let's start with a remarkably candid profile and statements by ben rhodes in the "new york times" sunday magazine this week. here's what rhodes says about how the white house sold the iran nuclear deal to reporters and through them to the american public. this is rhodes quoted. most of the outlets that are reporting on world events from washington, the average reporter we talk to is 27 years old and their only reporting speerbs consists of being around political campaigns. that's a sea change. they literally know-nothing. charles, i can't wait to hear what you have to say about this. >> he's absolutely right. the fact the success they had in spinning the iran deal. it's a moderately informed student of the area and of the nuclear negotiations would know was a disaster from day one. they had success in public opinion in the newspapers portraying it in the news as a good thing that these die hards, hard liners and the congress were trying to stop. it was a fantastic success. and it is exactly because the reporters don't know anything about the area. particularly on the middle east. they ar

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it's kind of a refreshing dose by ben rhodes there. nevertheless there were some very seasoned people out there. >> have you talked to peeople a the white house? >> yeah. it's interesting because this white house really prides themselves on being the senatoresenator e -- smartest kid in the room. i think that what you saw in this article is a bit of how the sausage is made, which is an ugly thing to look at. i think they look at this people, and i think they will probably take the criticism, which is plenty in coming from people that are friendly to them. it's another example of how washington doesn't get what the obama administration is trying to do. they have this attitude they're the only smart ones in town and the only ones to understand. >> wait. i thought you were going to tell me they're in a cold furry aby what ben rhodes said. >> maybe they don't necessarily like the wap he said some of it, but i don't think they disagree with the larger message of the piece and what he was saying. >> it's a different world we live in which a

ben rhodes often said, he's happy being a behind-the-scenes guy. the temptation for a little bit of fame in new york times magazine is bigger than that. i wonder, if this is the equivalent, if condi rice was in an interview and says, by the way, the wmd thing, the story we made up, didn't happen. you can imagine, just the outcry. it would be the opposite of what's happening now. excuse me while i have a drink. >> there you go. juan, you would love to see you defend this article. >> i read it twice. what's interesting to me, clearly, reporters on both sides feel they are being thrown under the bus by ben rhodes. the way he describes reporters are a lot of 27-year-olds who have no experience. sorry, you want to use them? >> let's look at the quote, then i'll go to you. >> okay. >> maybe not. the average reporter we talk to is 27 years old and their only experience is around political campaigning. that's a sea change. they know nothing. we created an echo chamber, they were saying things that validated what we had given them to say. that is brutal. >>

president obama's deputy national security advisor ben rhodes invited to testify before house lawmakers on the iran nuclear deal earlier today. mr. rhodes was a no-show. the white house says he didn't appear after he received a letter from white house counsel. several gop senators have written to president obama urging him to dismiss the controversial aide before he further tarnishes the office of the president. blake burman is with me now. so, blake, that sounded like a very intense meeting earlier today. what are you hearing this afternoon? >> well, one thing was made very clear, deirdre, by white house press secretary josh earnest this afternoon, president obama is standing behind ben rhodes 100% here. rhodes is of course one of the president's top national security advisors but he created more suspicions about the iran nuclear deal when he was featured by "the new york times" earlier this month as an aspiring novelist who basically created a story line to sell some fictitious parts of the deal essentially to the american public. that led to oversight committee hearing from this morn

i must say that description he offers of the people he was dealing with could almost have fit ben rhodesimself when he arrived at the white house. he was a little older than 27 but he had no particular foreign policy experience and had come up through campaigns. you know, there used to be -- >> and prided himself on being a novelist, a story teller. >> a storyteller and somebody who was unburdened really by political -- rather foreign policy experience. >> don't we know it. >> another thing he says in this piece is that there's something in washington that he calls the blob which is all the talking heads and foreign policy establishment people. it was a refreshing dose of i remember ref rans by ben rhodes there, the people had made a lot of mistakes in iraq and i can understand that, but nevertheless there were some reason seasoned people like leon panetta and bob gates who helped this president or at least tried to and probably don't deserve to be thought of as part of a blob. >> article come out -- came out have you talked to people at the white house? >> yeah, i mean, it's interesting

it was kind of a refreshing dose of irreverence by ben rhodes there.e a lot of mistakes in iraq and i can understand that. but you know, nevertheless, there were some very seasoned people out there, some like leon panetta and bob gates who helped this president, or at least tried to, and probably don't deserve to be thought of as part of a blob. >> julie? have you since this article came out, have you talked to people at the white house? >> yeah. i mean, you know, it's interesting, because this white house really prides themselves on being the smartest kid in the room. that's their approach to so many things. they take that approach in dealing with the media, in dealing with capitol hill, in dealing with think tanks. i think what you saw in this hospital is a little bit of how the sausage is made, which is an ugly thing to look at. but i think they look at this article and i think that they will probably take the criticism of it, which is plenty coming from people that are friendly to them, as just another example of how washington doesn't get what the

so, i think that claim by ben rhodes, if that's what it was is a little extravagant.rly familiar with the work of the other journalist so i can't comment ton. >> no doubt that mr. goldberg is a left wing guy and writes for the atlantic which sun believablably left. so, it wasn't a surprise to me. what was a surprise is that the writer of the article didn't even ask david samuels, the "times" guy, didn't even ask for a comment from goldberg or this laura rosen, didn't even ask him. didn't even call him. >> i think that was probably something he should have done. i might make this point, bill, i thought the article told us more about ben rhodes and perhaps the obama white house than it did about any of these journalists. >> ben rhodes reminds me of a lot of young, smart, talented young people who have gone to work in the white house and who by virtue of their presence in the campaign on the president's side or as an advisor have achieved a level of peril you might not expect of one so relatively young. it's a very heady experience working in a white house particularly i

let's start with a remarkably candid profile and statements by ben rhodes in the "new york times" sundaythis week. here's what rhodes says about how the white house sold the iran nuclear deal to reporters and through them to the american public. this is rhodes quoted. most of the outlets that are reporting on world events from washington, the average reporter we talk to is 27 years old and their only reporting speerbs consists of being around political campaigns. that's a sea change. they literally know-nothing. charles, i can't wait to hear what you have to say about this. >> he's absolutely right. the fact the success they had in spinning the iran deal. it's a moderately informed student of the area and of the nuclear negotiations would know was a disaster from day one. they had success in public opinion in the newspapers portraying it in the news as a good thing that these die hards, hard liners and the congress were trying to stop. it was a fantastic success. and it is exactly because the reporters don't know anything about the area. particularly on the middle east. they are young, t

more so on the path to creating a nuclear weapon and that is scary. >> we will go one more time to ben rhodes. to -- benben rhodes, rhodes commented on the white house's attempt to avoid scrutiny. i would like to go to click the and ask you about it. -- to clip d and ask about it. >> ok. you feel the process circumvented the transparency with congress? >> they structured the deal so they could take it to the security council and effectively move out on it before congress got to look at it. there is a second dimension to what we just heard that is disturbing. that was ben rhodes talking to a group of progressive activists and telling them what was going down the line and giving them the talking points about how to support it. what you just heard was ben rhodes talking to the front soldiers that are going to create -- in his echo chamber. >> tell us once again who this foot soldiers are? >> this is progressive groups. i don't know the exact -- they regularly briefed dozens of progressive groups. i am not talking about pseudo-experts on nuclear proliferation and things like that. i am talking ab

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i know people like ben rhodes, but what happened is he was given, you know, you talked about it thistalk about himself. and he bragged about what hoe did -- what he did and still advising the president now. it's horrific, i know it exists and it happens sometimes, but it's a braggy way to put it out there. >> lives were at stake. look at benghazi, he was in charge of the policy on benghazi. >> yeah. i can't wait -- i tweeted about it, i can't wait to see his name just disappear from so many things regarding national security. >> nobody doubts he's an intelligent guy, he cut his teeth writing up the 9/11 report and got to see our national foreign policy in action and concluded that the last 40 years were a bunch of morons running things and he and president obama knew better, but to do it without telling anybody. >> i'm not sure how that jives with the rest of how government should work. i don't get it. i know the people who think they're so smart and want to act on their own and listen, both guys are smart guys. i just happen to disagree with them completely on foreign policy and nat

does ben rhodes think it's a success? >> that's all that matters, he sold the product. en the terrific journalist, david samuels who wrote the piece in the new york times magazine, he raised this with rhodes, what about the 450,000 dead in syria and rhodes goes into this rhetorical speech, what about the death in congo. and then the obama position on everything, we can't do everything therefore we shouldn't do anything. people need to read this because so many people came out of the woodwork to lay it on the line, they're so disgusted with obama and the most telling line about sources about obama, the world has disappointed obama. stuart: oh, okay. well, a fitting end to our discussion, i think, ralph, and we thank you as always for being with us. calm down, okay? calm down, and i will, too. all right, everybody, moving on. new york city, the mayor thereof, bill deblasio, he blames racism for puerto rico's money problems. he says we've turned our back on puerto rico because they are people are color. we'll deal with that in a moment. and later, it's decision day on the b

ben rhodes appeared before the benghazi committee. bill: did ben rhodes craft the talking points? were those his word? >> i'm not on the benghazi committee as jim jordan is. but he's the deputy national security advisor and he does have some ties there. bill: what's next? >> i think most importantly the american people need to know what the president has done with this deal with iran. iran is no friend of the united states of america. they are the state sponsor of terrorism and those tens of billions of dollars are going to go into terrorist organizations that are going to be fighting and trying to kill americans. in iran with the nuclear weapons that scares the lives daylight out of them. bill: what is your best option now? >> we are still considering that. we have a subpoena we can offer, but when the white house says they are going to claim executive powers, it will make it difficult. we are considering other options. bill: jason cha get, the republican from utah. that last point very important. they won't subpoena because he will raise his right hand and take the fifth and he

ben rhodes is capable, he should be able to be there and talk about the deal. >> reporter: earnest gave no clue to the white house decision except to sound discouraging. >> i don't understand why getting to the bottom of who lied about the iran deal requires somebody who told the truth about it to participate. put the liars under oath and see what they have to say for themselves. >> reporter: three republican senators kirk of illinois and wyoming wrote to obama demanding he restore the trust of the american public and the news public by firing ben rhodes. that is unlikely as rhodes appeared before congress last week. no one at the white house told ben rhodes his original sets of comments were ill advised. >> interesting. we'll follow this. thank you. >>> congress is getting ready to spend more money on the zika virus. house republicans are proposing a $622 million measure that will be offset by cuts and other spending. they will vote on the trio of bills. $1.1 billion bipartisan proposal. the president asked for almost 2 $2 billion. up next, bill clinton in charge of the economy again?

ben rhodes is capable, he should be able to be there and talk about the deal. >> reporter: earnest gave no clue to the white house decision except to sound discouraging. >> i don't understand why getting to the bottom of who lied about the iran deal requires somebody who told the truth about it to participate. put the liars under oath and see what they have to say for themselves. >> reporter: three republican senators kirk of illinois and wyoming wrote to obama demanding he restore the trust of the american public and the news public by firing ben rhodes. that is unlikely as rhodes appeared before congress last week. no one at the white house told ben rhodes his original sets of comments were ill advised. >> interesting. we'll follow this. thank you. >>> congress is getting ready to spend more money on the zika virus. house republicans are proposing a $622 million measure that will be offset by cuts and other spending. they will vote on the trio of bills. $1.1 billion bipartisan proposal. the president asked for almost 2 $2 billion. up next, bill clinton in charge of the economy again?

if ben rhodes hadn't come out bragging, he is back at the bar.e hadn't come out with all the bravado about he spun the minds and the narrative. about the apps deal. the judge might never have known. >> a couple things that are especially troubling. when is the ethics -- employees at the justice department donating money to hillary clinton. the fbi is about to wrap up. what role will the justice department have in deciding the ultimate fate in that case. you have people who are going to get three hours a year of additional ethics training which is not that much but the judge was so frustrated he talked about this barring some of these attorneys in the justice department. >> they said that would be just respectful to the supreme court, just heard an argument on this case in april. >> rewind to 2008. remember when president obama promised the fairest presidency in us history? >> i don't remember anything before last year. not to play too much devils advocate but if you separate out the two stories, he ran and the doj story. this narrative about doj

ben rhodes commented -- comment on the white house is desire to avoid scrutiny. i'd like to look at video clip "d" and ask you a question about it. >> we're already asking how do we structure a deal. >> okay. how do you feel a process circumvented the transparency with congress? >> they structured the deal so they could take it to the security council and effectively move out on it before congress really got to look at it. there's a second dimension to what we just heard that was disturbing, that was ben talking to a group of progressive activists and telling them what was coming down the line and giving them the talking points about how to support it. what you just heard was ben rhodes talking to the foot soldiers th soldiers. >> tell us again who those foot soldiers are. >> i'm sorry. >> tell us again. >> these are progressive groups. they regularly briefed dozens of progressive groups. i'm not talking about pseudo experts. i'm talking about grassroots organizations to help them carry the water politically. it's one of these blurring of lines that i don't think

. >> host: also there was a recent story in "the new york times" magazine that looked at ben rhodes, national security adviser to president obama, the aspiring novelist who became foreign policy guru.am part of the story, rose's war room did work on capitol hill and reporters, arms control experts began popping up on social media. he goes on to say we created an echo chamber. when i asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly-minted experts cheering for the iran deal, they were saying things thattal dated what we had given them to say. first of all, your reaction overall to the story and especially when it comes to the iran deal.he >> guest: well, first, it's troubling to hear a senior white house aide, essentially, admit that he deceived the country about the iran deal. i think that is manager that is wrong -- something that is wrong and inappropriate and raises deeply troubling issues about how that deal was sold to the american people. but my larger reaction to reading that interview was i wai kind of gobsmacked by the arrogance and lack of humility displayed by ben rhodes and,

something that will take time to build. >> let me ask you about an interview that your deputy gave, ben rhodesn a new york times magazine profile. he described it -- it was a controversial interview, much commentary on it. in the article, the way in which rhodes and the national security staff is portrayed on one crucial issue, the selling of the iran deal, raised a lot of criticism and people felt there was a political campaign that might even have misrepresented the truth in order to sell the iran deal to congress and the american public. do you think that is fair? >> no. i think it is absolutely unfair. and let me be very clear as to why. first of all, there is nothing that ben or the president or i or anybody who is involved in explaining the iran deal to the american public said that it wasn't factually correct. if you look at that -- how that whole debate went down last year, there was perfect public attention, scrutiny, the documents were there for everybody to read, for members of congress to consider and debate. there was nothing that was hidden or could be hidden. it was in the publi

so is ben rhodes complicit in this issue? >> no, he lied.you read the "new york times" magazine piece. he boasted about putting one over on the american people, and boasted about setting up that false choice between war or a nuke deal. and by the way, the journal that did that never got around to asking about putin or libya. so what emerged was a picture of a white house that as some of the sources said, just refuses to learn. it's ideologically based. they made up their minds before they get the expert briefing. and i have said on fox many times, what stuns me about this administration isn't that it came into the office naive. but that it never learned. even jimmy carter learned. but obama refuses to learn and ben rhodes was proud of that. he would have done just fine work for joe stalin. jo ling: certainly major disagreements in policy from what you sit versus where the white house sits. i wonder how this affects the market going forward and every economic issue tied to this bilateral deal in your mind. >> you don't know what's going to co

bill: so he came out and responded today, ben rhodes did. here is part of what he said. spin. it's what we believed and continue to believe in the hallmark of the entire campaign was to push out facts. react to that. >> absolutely was spin of the real debate is whether or not it was deseparatetiveness. some people like our colleague james rosen said he was lied to by the state department when he asked whether or not there were back channel negotiations with iran about what would become the nuclear deal. rather the administration's narrative was, it really began the following year when a group of moderates was elected in iran. when you even get beyond that when rhodes and his deputy talk about compadres in the media, spoon feed message. day, give color and these people would dutifully repeat white house line on twitter, online, not that every administration has not done version of this, this is updated digital version but does seem to give ammunition to those who believe some in the press are, function as obama cheerleaders. bill: his reaction the way i read it, we said i

so, lieutenant colonel, can susan rice's statement, that is ben rhodes's boss, right?ut can her statements outweigh an admission of deseparatetive practices? >> well, i don't think it can. i will tell you, deirdre, i traveled all over the united states from january until now, from albuquerque to boston doing town hall meetings, talking to moms and grandmothers what is going on, when we hear these kinds of false narratives as americans, especially from the same crew who spun the benghazi narrative, it is very hard to believe we're being told the straight truth here. in my book, "game-changers," i talk about if we're going to inwith the war, deirdre, we'll have to tell a better story than isis and starts by telling it to our own people and i don't see us doing that. deirdre: that's a great point indeed. larger picture, where can the u.s. go from here with this nuclear deal with iran? >> well, i think it is just a bad deal all together. i would like to seat whole thing scrapped. it is not a good deal. the entire basis for the deal, as we're learning is a false narrative.

ben rhodes, michael doran. ben rhodes commented on the white house's desire to avoid scrutiny. i'd like to look at video clip "d" and ask you a question about it. >> and we're already kind of picking through how do we structure a deal so we don't necessarily require legislative action anyway. is there a way to do this? >> okay. how do you feel the process circumvented the transparency with congress? >> they structured the deal so that they could take it to the security council and effectively move out on it before congress ever really got to look at it. there's a second dimension to what we just heard that's disturbing. that was ben rhodes talking to a group of progressive activists and telling them what was coming down the line and giving them the talking points about -- about how to -- about how to support it. i mean, what you just heard was ben rhodes talking to the foot soldiers that are going to create -- that are going to -- in his echo chamber. >> tell us again who those foot soldiers are. >> i'm sorry?

sandra: pete, you were wincing when we were listening to ben rhodes react whether it was good idea torview. >> rhodes made it clear why he writes speeches and doesn't give them with that articulation. he can't defend what he did. someone who watched the left disingenuously decade say iraq war was sold on lie intentionally, to defend outright deception on a deal with massive implications like iran and largely given a free pass by the media is enraging for guys like me and others who see that hypocrisy at play. he literally spun and lied about the most consequential deal emtoering, enabling iran to get nuclear weapon ultimately what will happen to the deal, and sold it to bunch of reporters based on a false straw man. sandra: goes to talk to the media about it, "the new york times," kirsten, but won't go sit before congress to answer questions. >> he should go to congress. i don't know what his rationale is for that, or defense. he really didn't give one. >> he didn't give anything there. >> talking about just "the new york times" story which i guess we read between the lines i think he

congress. >> reacting to the comments rhodes made in the times story, what in that profile, in the ben rhodes profile, were you up setd with the obama administration that he came out with lines about how they sold that story to the american public. >> commended mr. rhodes for public service. why? because what he essentially said is that the administration's policy, whether it be libya or syria or iraq, whether it be towards israel was meant to disengage from sunni arab states and turn the keys to the middle east over to iran and disengage and pivot out of the region. what's offensive, here's an nsc adviser became secretary of state in the middle east for the president. no middle east experience, zero foreign policy experience, a speech writer when he entered the white house. in effect more or less deciding what national interests are of the united states. he determined that was to disengage from israel and the sunni arab states and hand the keys over to the ayatollahs and ski dad he will out of the region. that's an unadulterated violation of american national security interests. >> rhodes re

and that's why, honestly so, we can get off ben rhodes now, the single most revealing thing that rhodesd in that article was that he can't tell where obama least off and he begins. i believe that everything rhodes is quoted as saying is something he's either said to his boss barack obama or obama said to him. they were all things he thought his pose would agree with and approve. he is so used to hearing it and saying it himself that he could not see -- he did not have the self-awareness to understand how much he was revealing not about his own shallowness but about the ideology that drives barack obama. so i think when you put this article together with the atlantic interview of obama himself, you can see just how deep the ideology is, how much the antipathy toward american power has per verified their foreign policy and how much they have tried to restrain not iran but us. >> all right. we only have 30 seconds left. it does not every presidential administration going back decades do a little bit of this misleading or is this fundamentally different. >> i think it's fundamentally differ